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Hi. I have a couple of dubts about the 3bet and 4bet ranges. I usually play in micro SH(NL2 or NL5) with 40 BB (MSS) and the ranges i use are these:

3BET vs RaiseFirst:
•12% - 99+, AQs+, Ako
•18% - 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+
•24% - 66+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo
•33% - 55+, A9s+, KTs+, QJs+, JTs, ATo+, KQo+,
•45% - 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, A9o+, KTo+, Qjo

4bet:
1010++, AQo++

I don´t know if this is corrrect, but i must say that i can´t win more than a half of the hands i play like that.

Excuse my bad english, but i´m still learning it. Thanks a lot.
 
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Stop buying in for 40BB and instead buy in for 100BB or even better, 250BB.
 
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Mmm, but my bank is no so great, thats why i am playing mss...
 
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I think you take a less rigid approach to your raising strategy and play more fluidly depending on the action at your table. Just automatically 3 or 4 betting with certain hands is not a good idea.
 
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I don't have a chart for my 3 bet or 4 bet raising range, It depends on position if villains are tight or loose, the stack sizes, how I'm running, or if a black cat has walked past me or not...

5 bets are usually AA so watch outtt..

I don't know about 4 betting !0-10 or JJ.. seems like a troublesome spot but again it depends on the situation

If you see that black cat just flat
 
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And if you're not rolled for the level you are playing at, it will affect the way you raise. bankroll is everything.
 
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Honestly, I would 4 bet just with QQ+, tens and Jacks are not good for 4betting. But it depends against who are you playing and on what stakes. :)
 
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At 2NL, you only really need a bank of $80 to play right (I prefer $100).

Then you can mix up your raises and not be so rigid.
 
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Aum, it doesn´t matter if is 6max? I should 4bet just with qq++??
 
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At 2NL, you only really need a bank of $80 to play right (I prefer $100).

Then you can mix up your raises and not be so rigid.

Mmm, i see. yes, is very uncomfortable to play with just 30 usd.
 
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Aum, it doesn´t matter if is 6max? I should 4bet just with qq++??

Its impossible for us to answer that correctly its all situation dependent... In some spots it may be correct to 4 bet with QQ some spots it may be correct to call or even fold it depends on everything and everything is always changing.. If poker was bet here fold there everyone would be winning players. You gotta adjust to the situation
 
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First of all see the player you are playing against. If he is a reasonable player, I would 4 bet with QQ+, Maybe AKs. With TT or JJ no 4 bet, it is a call and evaluate your situation after the flop, or a fold if you think you will be in trouble. But I insist that the 3 bets and 4 bets can not be standarized, unless you play zoom.
 
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3 betting is important, but table selection is more by far more important.
 
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would recommend playing 100bbs.

would never under any circumstances 3b 22-77, 88 is marginal. these hands are always calls. not sure if they're calls 40bbs deep, but def 100bbs deep.

if u 3b/call 55 with 40bbs you are always ****ed vs any range.
 
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I don't have a chart for my 3 bet or 4 bet raising range, It depends on position if villains are tight or loose, the stack sizes, how I'm running, or if a black cat has walked past me or not...

5 bets are usually AA so watch outtt..

I don't know about 4 betting !0-10 or JJ.. seems like a troublesome spot but again it depends on the situation

If you see that black cat just flat
LOL at the black cat stuff! Funny stuff.

Hi. I have a couple of dubts about the 3bet and 4bet ranges. I usually play in micro SH(NL2 or NL5) with 40 BB (MSS) and the ranges i use are these:

3BET vs RaiseFirst:
•12% - 99+, AQs+, Ako
•18% - 88+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+
•24% - 66+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo
•33% - 55+, A9s+, KTs+, QJs+, JTs, ATo+, KQo+,
•45% - 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, A9o+, KTo+, Qjo

4bet:
1010++, AQo++

I don´t know if this is corrrect, but i must say that i can´t win more than a half of the hands i play like that.

Excuse my bad english, but i´m still learning it. Thanks a lot.
Here is the thing, like others said, you really shouldn't have a range for 3-betting or 4-betting. You should really watch position, the other players range, and the stack they have (if they can put you all in, you need to be sure that your hand is the best, before flop at least).
Always play 100BBs so you can make a profit. When you reach 150BBs, leave the table and come back with 100BBs. This way you're protecting your gains! :)

Hope that this informations help your.
 
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i agree a lot with what is being said above. having general 3bet and 4bet guidelines are very good. But, it also depends alot on the opponent and from what position the original preflop raiser raised in. Having a pokerhub is also obviously very valuable.

For example, if opponent is not calling your 3 bets light then you can split your range and 3bet the top and bottom of your range. However, if your opponent is calling your 3bets a lot then you can change your preflop raising range to the top 1/3 of your range.
 
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