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I'm UTG+2 and open for $15 with 8 9 diamonds, i get 4 callers behind me, in addition to the SB and BB, flop is 10D, JD, 3C, i checked, guy behind me bets out $35, girl behind him calls, guy behind her raises to $125, folded around to me...
how would you play out this hand? Would you just smooth call, put in another raise, or just ship all in bc you are drawing to the nuts?
 
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I'm smooth calling with that monster draw you want to disguise your hand strength but more importantly you want one of the other players to possibly call as well because likely all your open ended and flush draws are live against any callers anyway might as well get better odds when you hit it
 
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It´s a difficult situation, how many BB did you have in the table? I think if you just had paid, you would be very committed with the Pot and the villain most likely to shove in the turn, so in this situation, you couldn´t fold looking for pot odds.
 
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i was sitting at around 60ish big blind, i did shove and got flush (sadly not the straight one) but the girl had AQD, so she got the pot...
 
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I would go all in because there are times you can get people to fold and maybe win there money maybe you win by getting three of a kind on one of those cards not likely but could happen
 
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i was sitting at around 60ish big blind, i did shove and got flush (sadly not the straight one) but the girl had AQD, so she got the pot...
it´s almost impossible to fold at this spot, in my opinion you played correct and for your bad luck, you found a cooler!
 
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I need to know the implied odds here, but I would in general go all -in yes. with a straight flush draw in this situation.
 
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For sure just call

I'm UTG+2 and open for $15 with 8 9 diamonds, i get 4 callers behind me, in addition to the SB and BB, flop is 10D, JD, 3C, i checked, guy behind me bets out $35, girl behind him calls, guy behind her raises to $125, folded around to me...
how would you play out this hand? Would you just smooth call, put in another raise, or just ship all in bc you are drawing to the nuts?

Easy just call here. I dont like raising. Becuz the guy clearly has two pair min most the time. And even a set a lot of the time. One mistakes i see is people over playing huge draws. U have a great draw. But there will be spots where someone has the nut flush draw. And than your pretty much down to a straight draw against a flusj draw that does not need to hit. Becuz they have better high cards than you. It might come brick brick. Or a Diamond might peel on the turn or the river. Pairing the board and what if that dude who raised to 125 makes a huge bet? There is a good chance he filled up and you needed a diamond that didnt pair the board. Or u needed your straight . So its just best to see how it plays out. And normally with that action you will bet paid if you hit
 
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many modern ring game poker players seem to think raising with the likes of seat5 (utg+2 ) 98s in a full 9 or 10 handed ring game is +EV . the way this hand played out shows one of the problems that may result .
 
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I really don't know, I mean, look at all the action that happened, and than consider your options.

You stated "You're drawing to the nuts", yet you really weren't "Drawing to the nuts". The Nut's In this case would've been like "AQd/AKd", that's the nuts. You were drawing to the "Straight flush+OESD", those were really your only outs and nothing else.

Now as for the hand, I mean, action was, Raise+Flat+RR, and on to you, but while It's an ugly situation to really be In, I can't see how you can either, call In this spot, and I really can't see how you can shove In this spot TBH. Yeah, It's a "Straight Flush Draw+OESD", but even If you add up all the outs that you can possibly have at this time.

So what do you have 13(Diamonds)+3(7s)+3(Q)=19 Outs, and you have 2 of them In your hand, giving you 17 outs total. Now you can't count all the outs as being clean with the way the action Is going. I mean, really their just Is no way, after a raise+Call+Reraise, that you believe a "9 high flush draw" can be good, correct? Which than brings us to thinking about the 6 outs we do have, the 3(7)+3(Q). Now If we take discount AK, from the scenario (As their was no 3bet Pre), we don't have to worry once the "Queen" Hits, this Is of-course, assuming that 3 "Queens" are actually In play, In a table of 8-9 players, same thing with the "Sevens" they all need to be left In the deck and not In someone's hand. Than we only have (6) outs+The 2 extra straight flush outs that give us the nuts for a total of (8) outs. So going by just a mathematical observational stand point, It's really not worth going for.

While I do agree this Is a beautiful hand, you need to consider the fact that someone else could easily have a set+2 pair+ a higher flush draw, and thus easily Is dominating you.
 
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It sounds like you played 89 close to UTG if you had that many callers behind you. I would try to tighten my range in that position. However, since you did choose to play 89 in that position I would have went all in like you did. You had the straight flush draw that was really strong and also could have hit a 7 for the nuts. You made the right move post-flop but, in my opinion, not in preflop.
 
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You might not even have the best flush draw and you might be up against a set or tens&nines. This is truly a tough spot. I'm not sure why you didn't C-Bet the flop but even if you did I suspect that you'd still be in the same spot with 2 callers and a re raise.

I'm almost positive the person who raised has a set. One of the two callers have a flush draw and one of the other callers probably has a straight draw.

I'd call here and re evaluate on the turn.
 
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