The 2x 3bet preflop

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Anyone use this?

I know the standard is 3x 3 bet, which I do most of the time but I've been mixing it up

sometimes I use it if I think they'll fold to a 3x. I'll do it with AA or 9 10s or a few others. It doesn't scream strength and seems like a weak bluff

It really confuses people and they totally tank. It's kind of funny. The longer they tank the more likely they fold to a Cbet.

Advantages might be steal a bit more preflop or build a bigger pot for a Cbet

Disadvantages is giving a marginal hand the chance to outflop me... smaller pot postflop....?

Any comments?
 
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I feel a 2x 3bet is polarising yourself to either having a strong hand your desperate for a call but wanting to try and build a pot or, you have a weak hand hoping that showing a slight bit of strength they will fold to your 6 high IMO.

I just don't think 2x 3betting does much for us.
 
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Thanks for the reply

So you'd recommend sticking with 3x for consistency?

Would polarizing be a bad thing?

Mixing up bet sizes may confuse your opponent or even tilt them....?
 
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coolDadJimbo said:
Thanks for the reply

So you'd recommend sticking with 3x for consistency?

Would polarizing be a bad thing?

Mixing up bet sizes may confuse your opponent or even tilt them....?
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Polarising would only be a good thing if your wanting the villain to make a tough decision IMO so yeah I'm sure there's ways of using this within your favour, but I would assume it would be -ev in the long run.
 
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coolDadJimbo said:
Anyone use this?

I know the standard is 3x 3 bet, which I do most of the time but I've been mixing it up

sometimes I use it if I think they'll fold to a 3x. I'll do it with AA or 9 10s or a few others. It doesn't scream strength and seems like a weak bluff

It really confuses people and they totally tank. It's kind of funny. The longer they tank the more likely they fold to a Cbet.

Advantages might be steal a bit more preflop or build a bigger pot for a Cbet

Disadvantages is giving a marginal hand the chance to outflop me... smaller pot postflop....?

Any comments?
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I'm just the one that tanks forever, trying to figure out what the heck your min 3bet means haha.
Against fishier opponents I wouldn't min 3bet that much. They are going to call most of their junk hands to a bigger 3bet anyway, so you will have a harder time building the pot.
Most forum members seems to think it's a bad move, but I wouldn't be so quick on ruling it out. It could definitely be a good move against certain opponents, for example the ones who get really confused by it.
I would really love to hear some expert's view on the min 3bet
 
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Tricky123bet said:
I'm just the one that tanks forever, trying to figure out what the heck your min 3bet means haha.
Against fishier opponents I wouldn't min 3bet that much. They are going to call most of their junk hands to a bigger 3bet anyway, so you will have a harder time building the pot.
Most forum members seems to think it's a bad move, but I wouldn't be so quick on ruling it out. It could definitely be a good move against certain opponents, for example the ones who get really confused by it.
I would really love to hear some expert's view on the min 3bet
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It just doesnt acomplish anything, When you have value min 3betting wont get you max value. there are more +ev lines you can take Check raising their bluffs for example.
 
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I've used a min 3bet recently with medium-strong hands to isolate a fish in EP.

Example: UTG is playing 80/50 and rarely 4bets. I am in MP. CO and BU are good players. UTG raises 3x. I 3bet to 5x with hands like KJo, 98s. I hope that the remaining players will fold and UTG will call. The goal is to see a flop in position vs the fish but without a big investment preflop.

I don't know if the math works or if an expert would agree but this is how I am using it and it often gets me to the flop in position vs fishy players.
 
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do big bet sizes to fishes who also are calling donkeys
 
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I like this idea. Something that I also do that is similar is betting an amount that seems like it is just trying to induce a call. Its something I do when I have nothing and believe my opponents (heads-up) also has nothing. If they call, no big deal, didn't cost too much and I get info. But sometimes people will find it fishy and just lay down their bad hand. Of course if they have a hand it is horrible, but you know its pretty situational anyway.
 
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