2NL Zoom Losing Big..

#1 15th June 2017, 10:58 AM

Hello...

I've been playing 2NL Zoom for about a week now.. and I'm losing $80+....

Every big pots I'm losing set over set, TPTK vs Set. , 70:30s, 50:50s, 85:15s, etc... just a bunch of bad beats for that whole week...

I don't know what to do.. just getting demotivated due to losing almost every single big pots I play.. Most of pre-flop all-ins, most of it 70%+ favourite towards me I lost..

Am I doing something wrong... or is it just a HUGE downswing I'm experiencing... any help would be greatly appreciated..

#2 15th June 2017, 11:20 AM

Sorry to hear, this is my take from the data, it’s totally biased and uneducated:

1. First 4500 hands you were losing player, that is quite typical even for good player
2. From 4500 to 9k you were break even
3. From 9k to 17k hands you were winning big player (there was one stretch losing play that looks similar to end sliding, but that happens, it's only a problem if it's not repaired)
4. Then from 17k to 22583 hands you were losing player, bad day or two broke your back

Good new is that when you play your A game you are winning player. Bad news is that currently you are not in form to continue like you did before.

So the solution is two fold, a) you need to get your confidence back b) you need to find a way to make sure you only play with your A game

For a) confidence it would be great if you could play with someone behind your back, maybe a friend or anyone you know who plays poker. Secondly, you need to take a break from the game. Maintaining A game is well discussed also in this forum.

#3 16th June 2017, 2:46 PM

post more hands, the recent hand where you called the turn shove combined with your blue line implies you are calling too often when you are beaten. post your three biggest winning and losing hands from each session you've played along with your positional stats and hide the results for each hand initially .

#4 16th June 2017, 4:51 PM

I really like Keith's plan.

#5 16th June 2017, 5:40 PM

its important that you mix the winning and losing hands up if you do this so that people discuss the quality of the decisions on each street without being influenced by knowing if it was a winning or losing hand.

You may wonder why post the winners, but it can show any bet sizing issues tyou have with your made hands/monsters and you can double up by terrible play or lose a stack playing perfectly.without seeing hands we can't say which happened.

#6 16th June 2017, 8:02 PM

Everyone looks for a statistical edge to play winning poker. They are looking for analytics to tell them which decisions to make. but analytics only work if everyone is doing the same thing. analytics don't help you against the all-in call by your opponent holding 4 8 off against your pocket KK. Focus on whether you are making correct decisions for the hands you play. Just because you made the correct decision on a hand doesn't guarantee you will win as you have found to your chagrin. Sometimes, you just have to let your big hands go if you are running bad. and don't be afraid to win small, but consistently. Remember, all-in pre-flop takes skill out of the hand, regardless of how big the hand is. You may not agree, but my experience has taught me that a small win is better than a big loss. whichever way you go, good luck to you.

#7 16th June 2017, 9:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dan Lucas

Everyone looks for a statistical edge to play winning poker. They are looking for analytics to tell them which decisions to make. Focus on whether you are making correct decisions for the hands you play. Just because you made the correct decision on a hand doesn't guarantee you will win as you have found to your chagrin and don't be afraid to win small, but consistently. whichever way you go, good luck to yo.

This part was very well written. The rest carbage. What level you play?

#8 16th June 2017, 9:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dan Lucas

Focus on whether you are making correct decisions for the hands you play. Just because you made the correct decision on a hand doesn't guarantee you will win as you have found to your chagrin. Sometimes, you just have to let your big hands go if you are running bad.

Second bolded sentence does not tally with the first bolded sentence. You should be making the best decision based on the information that you have , not on whether you are running bad , that is a form of tilt.

and don't be afraid to win small, but consistently.

Again , this is wrong , you should be aiming to maximise the value out of your hand. If you bet small with a monster hand you are losing money hand over fist. Likewise you don't want to be playing a big pot with an extreemly marginal hand,those are the hands you should be playing for small pots.

Remember, all-in pre-flop takes skill out of the hand, regardless of how big the hand is. You may not agree, but my experience has taught me that a small win is better than a big loss. whichever way you go, good luck to you.

Again this wrong, if you are afraid of getting allin with 70%+ equity because you're afraid of getting sucked out on and losing a big pot you are losing lots of value from your big hands. Sure you will lose 30% of the time , but the 70% of the time that you win more than offsets those losses.You just need to have the depth of bankroll to withstand the variance .

#9 17th June 2017, 9:25 PM

Your points are well made, but you are missing the point. How often have you got it all-in pre-flop against a poor player, who if you had not put him all-in, would have folded to bets on the flop or turn because he missed his hand? So you lose a hand that you would have won if you had played poker instead of roulette? I'm not saying you fold AA or AK or KK pre-flop if you have to call an all-in because you are afraid of the suckout. I am saying that sometimes you win more hands by not getting to the river because you can outplay your opponents instead of letting luck be the factor.

#10 17th June 2017, 10:12 PM

WHat hands are you getting all in pre with then against the fish. following range for fish is about 9%

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP2 56.72% 55.99% 0.73% { QQ-TT }
MP3 43.28% 42.55% 0.73% { TT+, A7s+, A5s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AQo+, ATo }

so it will be profitable but high variance and you really should be questioning whether you should be staking off with JJ,TT preflop without having a good idea of what opponent is willing to stack off.
IF you are willing to stack off with tt-QQ pre then you have to accept that it is high variance and if you are willing to embrace that variance adjust your bet sizing to reflect that you don't want to stack off pre.
You' ll notice that my comments were with regards to 70% equity and not the lower equities that TT-QQ will have.

#11 18th June 2017, 8:37 PM

When I started playing in the zoom, I lost $ 40

#12 27th June 2017, 8:01 AM

You have huge problems in your game.
Id suggest going back to basics.

Id say the patch where you were winning was a heater
And i think majority of complaining about set over set is tilt

We all experience bad beats but we dont feel them as much when we have winning hands in the mix.

I think after a losing session where you felt like your hard done by check 24 hrs later and see what really happened.

Ive always been suprised how bad my plays have been.

Also if you multitable you wont even feel like your tilting but in actual fact you will be.

So start analyzing your game and post hands and start basic and work out whats working for you and find out what needs work

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