2nl WTSD%

I play 2nl cash games almost exclusively and I have been studying the game seriously for about the last month (although I started playing about a year ago).

I think in general my stats since playing seriously are fairly solid except for WTSD and W$SD :

(over ~4000 hands, 6max, up about 9bb/100)

VPIP : 25.0
PFR : 18.1
agg : 3.61
WTSD : 34.5
W$SD : 49.0 (i'm not entirely sure what this stat is)
W$WSF : 42.0 (haven't got a clue about this one)

Any tips on how to optimize the last 3 stats ?
What is ideal for 2NL ? (i'm thinking more calling stations so more showdowns)

thanks a lot

Edit : I also just noticed that my fold to turn cbet is very low : 7.7%.

ummm... these stats are very umm complex.. can't explain and not sure i understand them fully.
but you W$SD is completely fine and your W$WSF is also fine.
anything under 38 is probably a problem, anything over 50 is damn impressive.
your vpip is 2 high, I'd suggest you make some hand charts for yourself by position and stick to them.
Your VPIP\PFR split is too high which means you limp too much and you call too much prf (unless of course you do this for a specific reason and those reasons or that logic should probably be examined mathematically.)

umm 9bb\100 is a great winrate btw, keep it up!

Do what works for you IMO - 25/18 is perfectly workable at 6max, especially 2NL

Keep the aggression up and maybe nit up a bit, but 4k isn't a big enough sample to make accurate analysis.

Yeah I do think it would be too high for higher limits, just not sure about it for 2nl.

My vpip is going down i've started too tighten up on the blinds a little. PFR/VPIP ratio is about 0.72 so I think that's not too bad.

Yeah well 9bb/100 over 4000 hands, not bad, but we'll see after 20000+ hands

Positional stats from HEM/PT3 are a lot more helpful than basic general stats too BTW

btw, everything I said should be done at your pace and according to how you think you can succeed.
Making a hand chart though and theorizing with yourself how you'd like to play hands in each position etc. is very helpful imho

25/18 is a little loose unless you are playing six max, but the aggresion ratio to the number of hands you're playing is pretty good.

w$SD is the percentage of time you won at showdown, and WSF is without seeing flop, meaning your bet preflop forced everyone else to fold.

Pascal LeFiscal said:

Do what works for you IMO - 25/18 is perfectly workable at 6max, especially 2NL
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****ing truth. My stats for 2nl 6max are so fishy(37/10 over 12000hands) and i was crushing 2nl at 19bb/100

edgie212 said:

25/18 is a little loose unless you are playing six max, but the aggresion ratio to the number of hands you're playing is pretty good.

w$SD is the percentage of time you won at showdown, and WSF is without seeing flop, meaning your bet preflop forced everyone else to fold.

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W$WSF
is won money when saw flop.

Yeah I play 6max.

Wow 19bb/100 with 37/10, many ways to play the game I guess.

I used to be about 29/18 and I was winning a bit more than now, but I think the way I play now sets me up a bit better for higher levels and long term profitability

4000 hands is really a small sample. I know that sounds weird to say, but honestly it is.

Also, playing 25% of hands and getting to showdown 35% means you have been hitting the board well, or 2NL is just that passive. What I mean is you must be facing a lot of checking from opposing players to get to showdown that much, especially in limped pots.

Having such a gap between VPIP and PFR is fine for 2NL and 5NL, but beyond that it's a huge leak. Just beware when moving up, because raising and 3-betting is far more rampant at 10NL and beyond.

I've seen players with a VPIP of 15 who only go to showdown 28% of the time and absolutely crush 2NL long term.


Honestly, at 2NL, playing 15/12 and making an attempt to add more tables is the way to max your hourly rate.

It is very common to run for 10+ptBB/100 over 5K-10K hands and run break even the next 5K-10K.

Once you log 50K hands, things will become more clear in your statistics.