2NL vs 5NL 6max

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Hey guys,

Just a quick simple question that pops up.
Maybe I was “lucky” or had some good tables but.. I moved on after 5k hands from 2NL to 5NL.
I wanted to try this and because people said there is no difference until 10NL, why not? I was winning on the 2NL tables, but don’t have the hard facts (xxbb/100) here with me (typing this from work :) )

After 5k hands on 2NL I made a profit of 22$, I don’t play that much, not multi tabling a lot.. Only a max 2h per day, for max 5 days a week. So let’s say 10h a week, maybe a bit more in the weekends. I try to play good poker, learn, improve and so on, but sometimes it’s hard on the lower levels, because they seem not to understand they have a fold button J I run a bit above EV, but only 2$, so all seems ok.

Now, moving to 5NL, I did not expect much difference when I read here everyone telling it is the same. So I did, and.. After 500 hands I’m already +32$. And I did not get that many good hands, but they seem much more to know where to fold button is, look at the table dynamics and know position already a lot more! They are constantly trying to blind steal, putting pressure, but.. they just do it because they’ve read it somewhere, so easy to exploit and light 4bet them. Also, the ones that are not doing it, are easy to spot and will almost fold every time and expose themselves as very weak players and easy to exploit.

So for me there is a difference. It is also much “easier” for me to spot them on bluffing! 2NL is really wacko and I agree, (semi)bluffing is not the way to go there except if you have a good read on them and there FCBET says 99%.

So for me there is a difference. I see more “relative good players” that understand the game, but still make mistakes by playing the game as they think they should, robotic like. The fishes losing a lot more money which is good for my BR.. So is this something you guys also feel? Or do you say: stupid, you’ve played only 500 hands and you were lucky :)

Also as extra sidenote:
I play on PS and... Compared to live games, it seems that a lot of bad players are payed of for playing bad. I mean, a lot of strong hands are way ahead until.... the river. I saw so many good players or play loosing on the river by bad calling stations, that it is really getting annoying. Live games a set is more likely to hold, a full is likely not getting beaten by quads or a higher straight flush...... You get the picture. I try NOT to get to the river, because it sucks on Stars :/
 
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So for me there is a difference. I see more “relative good players” that understand the game, but still make mistakes by playing the game as they think they should, robotic like. The fishes losing a lot more money which is good for my BR.. So is this something you guys also feel? Or do you say: stupid, you’ve played only 500 hands and you were lucky

right, the fact is that regs do play very robotically at your stakes but this is profitable because of the amount of fish there as well as the regs not being very good.

most of the regs are also just learning how to play TAG poker and so respond to a lot of situations in the same vein.

this follows through to the higher limits, I've only played up to 100nl but yeah, the regs play straightforward vs other regs because they haven't improved to the point of adjusting very well.

Also as extra sidenote:
I play on PS and... Compared to live games, it seems that a lot of bad players are payed of for playing bad. I mean, a lot of strong hands are way ahead until.... the river. I saw so many good players or play loosing on the river by bad calling stations, that it is really getting annoying. Live games a set is more likely to hold, a full is likely not getting beaten by quads or a higher straight flush...... You get the picture. I try NOT to get to the river, because it sucks on Stars :/

remove this thought process from your head, the odds and math are exactly the same, they have the same chance of sucking out in live games as they do online.

variance is variance after all.
 
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You can't start comparing your winrates after only 500 hands :)

There is a difference between 2nl and 5nl just like there is with every level you move up.

About the rigged comment at the end - if you think Stars is somehow fixing the river then why do you play there? Avoiding getting to the river because you think you will be sucked out is awful and you will be missing out on tonnes of value.
 
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I'm not counting myself yet with the good 5NL reg's :)
Just trying to improve my game in every hand I play. And sometimes I play a hand very strong and sometimes so weak :/
My biggest issue at the moment is where I play against a LAG and do not get cards, or do not hit or have options. Keep folding AND folding is.. Sometimes hard :) Because I DO know he has nothing too but I have even less.

Thank you for your reply already!

Also idd, I will push it out of my mindset! But Stars is one of the few allowed in Belgium so no other choice :/
 
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You don't need to bluff or 4bet light or do any other fancy plays to beat 5nl.
 
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i would not say that 5nl is easier than 2nl, play at least 10k hands more and you will be able to compare your stats....even you say you did not have many monster-hands, it can be possible that you had good hands compared to the others, this will be equalized playing more and more hands..
 
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I will do.. I'll only move back to 2NL when I come to my BR were I started with..
This will be the level for at least 5.5K hands, the same as my 2NL game or even more when my BR will not allow to go up the ladder (or my game!).
 
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Because I DO know he has nothing too but I have even less.
Then raise him ;)


No but really what micromachine said, no need to get fancy, just learn to value bet better than the rest and move up.
 
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And.. some 200 hands later..
Lost AA to KK (all in pre flop)..
Lost KK to AA (all in pre flop)..
Lost QQ to K10 (-3$ on Q flop, and fish keeps calling until on the river hits his straight)
Lost Full House to Quads on the river..

ok.. so in less then 200 hands -22$.. This is painfull.. should I go back to 2NL???
 
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i lol so hard there man, sorry.

it depends on your BR really, i mean you only stay 5k hands on 2nl which is nothing, also only 700 hands on 5nl so can´t really say. so decide by your BR, are you loaded to can play on 5nl?, if so stay until BR move you down.


 
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when i first switched from 2nl to 5nl i was down like 30 BIs. Just kept shot taking until I got comfortable with the level becos there are differences.

Honestly, how you learn to beat these levels are by value betting, learning to fold and stop chasing draws to the river when the villain pots it on each street.

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