2NL preflop play

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Okay I got a couple questions about preflop play in 2NL.

I understand I should be betting 4bb + 1bb per limper.

If someone before me raises and I have a monster hand, what should I reraise to? I've been reraising to 3x their raise, is this good?

And if one person raises, and another calls him, should I do like 4x or what?

Thanks
 
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Okay I got a couple questions about preflop play in 2NL.

I understand I should be betting 4bb + 1bb per limper.

If someone before me raises and I have a monster hand, what should I reraise to? I've been reraising to 3x their raise, is this good?

In position, that's fine, out of position maybe 3.5x to 4x.

And if one person raises, and another calls him, should I do like 4x or what?

That works.

Thanks

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Okay I got a couple questions about preflop play in 2NL.

I understand I should be betting 4bb + 1bb per limper.

If someone before me raises and I have a monster hand, what should I reraise to? I've been reraising to 3x their raise, is this good?

And if one person raises, and another calls him, should I do like 4x or what?

Thanks

Yeah...do all of that. But remember that in some cases you WILL get sucked out on and it often will not be your fault.
 
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heya, let me help ya out, at 2nl, best grinders raise somewhere between 14c and 24c, if the pot is unraised. if someone raise they will overbet, like if someone raised to 8, the good grinders at this level will probably reraise to maybe 30c. so far it has been working great for them, it has been working fine for me, i have a 6BB/100 at about 200.000 hands.

the reason i dont raise to 3bb or 4bb is because people at this level dont see that as a raise, they see it a just another 6c. you i really wanna narrow as much as possible, sometimes even if i raise to 18c i still get people to cal me with something stupid like Q6 and get lucky, but thats just the way it goes at 2nl.
 
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with preflop raises, I would suggest making a raise size that is reflective of your range as a whole.

So if you are a nitty or Taggy player then open 4BB even 4.5

If you are a looser TAG or a LAG then open a smaller amount 3BB or 3.5BB.

You are just giving yourself a better price on your c-bet this way.

The smaller raise size means a smaller c-bet size and this favours the loser style because more of your c-bets will be bluffs.

If you raise larger then the c-bet will be larger, this favours tighter styles because you will usually be betting for value when you c-bet.
 
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The smaller raise size means a smaller c-bet size and this favours the loser style because more of your c-bets will be bluffs.
Why is that the case? Shouldn't I be adapting my c-betting frequency & size to my opponents tendencies rather than my own "style"? Hell, for that matter, shouldn't I be adapting my own style to my opponent's tendencies?

Also, just because I raise 95s on the button doesn't mean that I don't c-bet everytime I hit a 9, 5, or a draw I'm willing to continue with.
 
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Why is that the case? Shouldn't I be adapting my c-betting frequency & size to my opponents tendencies rather than my own "style"? Hell, for that matter, shouldn't I be adapting my own style to my opponent's tendencies?

Also, just because I raise 95s on the button doesn't mean that I don't c-bet everytime I hit a 9, 5, or a draw I'm willing to continue with.

Well you kind of hit the nail there, when you raise wide on the button, you are certainly going to bet out with a 9 or a 5. But most of the time there wont be a 9 or a 5 (but you still want to c-bet) and even when there is a 9 and a 5 you are going to be beat a decent percentage if called, so with weaker ranges we want to be playing smaller pots because even bad villians tend to play a bit better in larger pots.

This is why my open raise size on the button is 2.5bb, its cheap, its a weak range, and its aimed against players who fold very easily.

Contrast that to when I have a SB/BB who loves top call, my steal range tightens up, but my raise size now increases, because when I open its for value rather than a steal.

So the adaption becomes the preflop range ity tightens or loosens, but then the bet size has to also change in line with the ranges overall strength.
 
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