2NL (6max) - What's going wrong??

Hi cardschat.


I have played about 40k hands at 2nl and can say i have lost nearly $50 or so...

I started playing online poker about 5 months ago. I started off by reading every article, book or video i could find. I have invested about 50/50 in poker revision and actual play..

I understand basic/advanced fundamentals of pot odds, ev, ranges, hand reading, bet sizing.. all that good stuff. Yet i am stuck at 2NL!


The last few days i am at a wits end as i just seem to be losing EVERY large pot and i can't understand where i am going wrong.. i'm almost always losing set over set or two pair over better two pair.. things like that.. my AA's net won is actually -$2 .


I recently moved from FTP to Stars and started a fresh HUD database and currently only have 6.5k hands, but showing a huge $20 loss. I will post a few graphs and stats below and i would be so greatful if the community could give me some feedback and help me get out of this spiral.. i would like to keep this thread updated and show some green graphs!!

Cheers everyone!!

Try 9max

Also how do you play AA KK pre??

Thats a very small sample size there and 10 buyin downswings are not unusual. I cant help to much with stats as im not great at interpreting those but nothing seems out of the ordinary imo, but im sure someone else here can give you a definitive answer with that.

He might be bleeding a little money in the SB pos

It'd be good to post some hands too but firstly i'd say don't post blinds when your not in the BB. Wait for BB to hit you before playing.

Also your PFR in BB seems pretty low. If people are raising really wide in SB it's not terrible to call with a wider range than 10% as you'll be playing in position against a massively wide (and therefore poorer) hand range. Don't go crazy, stay tight in SB (19% might be too wide.. not sure but SB should have low PFR besides UTG) but open up a little from BB i'd say especially against SB raises.

Small sample? Ya.

Like others have said you need to work on your play from the blinds. Might wanna start by playing only the very top of your range till you get feel for the game? Play only value hands and throw everything else away. Maybe like AJs+, KQs and 88+. This is quite tight but it deff makes the game from those positions easier. And for the love of god wait for the BB before you play a hand. Thats the easiest leak to fix that you'll ever come across.

You say you've been running bad in this sample and that might be true but one thing I see is that with a WTSD at 34% and winning 50% of the time you are probably not winning enough with your big hands and losing too much when you have the second best hand.

You're also kinda tight for 6 max but at 2nl this shouldn't matter much and you will still get paid off when you have the best hand. It is a good time though to start widening your BU and CO range as you will never find a cheaper place to practice hand reading and getting into marginal situations.

Again this is really too small of a sample to draw to many conclusions from. It would be better to start posting hand in the HA(hand analysis) section to see where you could be going wrong.


Read this https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...0/cash-game-hand-analysis-read-before-174514/ and start posting.

Not a huge sample, but one thing I can see for sure is that you aren't getting value from your big hands, and you are calling down to showdown with hands that are beat. At this level, people aren't weaving master bluffs against you, and for that matter, neither should you...if someone leads into you on the turn after checking or flatting you cbet, they've hit that straight/fllush/set draw more often than not. Conversely, triple barreling them with air wont take them off second pair...value betting your big hands while multi-tabling can be boring but in the long run avoiding tricky spots and getting away from marginal hands will tick the graph up...you just have to put in the volume to show that profit.

his pt3 may have a small sample size but losing $50 after 40k hands is a good indication he's obv doing something wrong. Like others have said, try posting hands so we can identify your leaks

To add to what's been said, from what I can gather, your preflop selection in general looks okay, though you can probably play even tighter at 2NL since I guess most guys there don't know what the green FOLD button does.

BUT, BUT, BUT -- your PFR hardly changes with position. This means you're playing oop a lot yes? My gut says this is where 80% of your problems lie.

It's probably postflop where you come unstuck.

So,
1) How often are you playing in position post?
Filter your hands for Saw Flop and In / Out position and check your BB100 there.
If you're not in position the vast majority of the time, try this exercise for a few sessions:
- Do not play oop unless you have QQ+, AK. This means folding a LOT more from UTG - UTG+2.
- DO NOT limp if you're first in.

You'll suddenly find you're IP a lot more, and this game suddenly becomes a lot easier.

2) c-betting -- how often do you do this? How successful is it? Again, compare IP vs OOP. You should c-bet around 70% of the time btw.

3) Are you reading board texture properly?

4) Are you making the 2NL donks pay you for value when you hit?

5) Are you identifying the timid players (they fold lot, never pay you off) vs. the lagtards (never fold, constantly raising you) and adjusting your postflop play accordingly? Position is again, crucially important vs. lagtards.

what kind of hands are you getting it in with post flop?
even against 2nl monkeys TPTK isnt good for an all in, generally if theyre trying to get it in they have the big obvious made hand ie flush or if you cant see one, have spiked some weird 2pair.
overpairs

also ive found that if youre OOP and you miss the board, just straight up DONT Cbet unless you think you realistically can get them off their hand or itll cost you a ton- they all just call down way too much. if you do decide to Cbet the flop and get called, give up unless you improve. if they called the flop theyre generally calling to the river.
Conversely, when you make a big hand/have an overpair you need to extract 3 streets value.
i see a lot of people bet flop & turn and then some semi scare card peels OTR. you shouldnt check/call here, you should be bet/folding to raise.
if a micros player, fish or reg raises you on the turn, just GTFO. dump overpairs, dump TPTK, wait to get it in when you know youre good. its frustrating but you have to do it

Switch to FR. Learn to be a winning ABC player there before trying to adapt to 6max. Even 1-tabling, there's plenty for you to watch that your hud probably won't show. For example, knowing how often a weak player limps doesn't tell you if he leans toward small pockets, suited connectors, suited or unsuited weak A-type hands, broadways, etc. or which combination of these.

The 4+ difference between vpip and pfr is slightly on the high side, so I wouldn't want to see it get any higher.

Also, don't automatically buy the oft-repeated line about 10 buyin downswings being common. It's a generalization. If you're a losing player, they'll happen quite often, then less often if you're average, and not often at all if you're a crusher. Style also factors in; looser players tend to have larger swings.

How much are you C-beting and what is your c-bet success? I think here is where you loose money. A lot of my profits come from cbetting selectively.
Also. For 6 max you are too tight. Actually i could steal from a player like you all day long and make profit.
You open too little from the button. I think you are not playing your positions right.
This is my 2NL graph from 6-max.

holy crap guys this is a 1 year old thread, stop waisting you time.

and the guy has 1 post, in 1 year.