25K hands position stats

What are you doing with your low pairs to make them negative? Are you double barrelling a lot or calling 3 bets?

Also what are you doing in MP to be BE.

Tighten up from the small blind big time. Only complete hands when there are limpers, else its a raise or fold and try to avoid completing small SC's and gappers they're just not profitable enough to be bothering with oop.

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My biggest mistake still is calling with 1 pair

youregoodmate said:

What are you doing with your low pairs to make them negative? Are you double barrelling a lot or calling 3 bets?

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My F3B is 67 so probably flating a lot.

/Logan/ said:

My F3B is 67 so probably flating a lot.

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Dont flat 3 bets with small PP's unless you and villain are very deep (250BB's), and even then its best not to when you are out of position.

youregoodmate said:

Dont flat 3 bets with small PP's unless you and villain are very deep (250BB's), and even then its best not to when you are out of position.

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Yea, probably same reason for MP BE. I flat too much to EP raises or fold/flat too much to LP 3B,

Way too weak/passive in just about every stat preflop.

1). I think we can open more from the BTN. 20% is kind of low.

2). I agree with c9 on AF. Somewhere between 2-4 is probably good though.

3). Id be interesting to see if you could run a filter on what hands you flat in the SB/BB. Would you say youre flatting hands that arent strong enough to take a 4-bet? like TT/JJ/AQ? Then lets also look at what hands were 3-betting in the sb/bb.

4). Flop C-bet is pretty good however in comparison the Turn C-bet is high. Ive read that this means you're not using pot control a lot. I kind of understand why this is high though b/c we want to get max value from fish - any one else have thoughts? Maybe this also relates to how youre losing so much with single pair hands?

5). Only 5 four of a kinds? Lets bring that up a little bit.

6). I like the F3B size. Somewhere between 60-70 should show a good mix of calling 3-bets and 4-betting.

7). Not too sure about steals but it looks like youre stealing a ton from the BTN. 42% seems good.


Im not a wizard with stats yet but Ive been doing a lot of reading on it lately so I hope this helps man

pocketehs said:

1). I think we can open more from the BTN. 20% is kind of low.

2). I agree with c9 on AF. Somewhere between 2-4 is probably good though.

3). Id be interesting to see if you could run a filter on what hands you flat in the SB/BB. Would you say youre flatting hands that arent strong enough to take a 4-bet? like TT/JJ/AQ? Then lets also look at what hands were 3-betting in the sb/bb.

4). Flop C-bet is pretty good however in comparison the Turn C-bet is high. Ive read that this means you're not using pot control a lot. I kind of understand why this is high though b/c we want to get max value from fish - any one else have thoughts? Maybe this also relates to how youre losing so much with single pair hands?

5). Only 5 four of a kinds? Lets bring that up a little bit.

6). I like the F3B size. Somewhere between 60-70 should show a good mix of calling 3-bets and 4-betting.

7). Not too sure about steals but it looks like youre stealing a ton from the BTN. 42% seems good.


Im not a wizard with stats yet but Ive been doing a lot of reading on it lately so I hope this helps man

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Bold is irrelevant.

I agree with the turn c-bet point although I'd like to add it may mean you are double barrelling and not firing for more value. The first is very much a leak at these limits.

I think a higher F3B would be better, at 2-5NL mine is around 80%, due to fish being so passive, although lower is fine at higher limits.

3 bet could do with being a bit higher, I like around 6% overall, obviously centered around the button.

Blind play seems to be the biggest leak of all

holy shit, in comparison i open 65% on the button

Yes 3b based on villains opening % by position (PFR is a horrible and stat really and you shouldnt of included it in your by position thing up there, use raise first in instead, means a lot more)

But if someone if raising in like 10% of hands from MP then you don't really wanna be 3betting very often, like hands like JJ and AQ, and sometimes AK are often just flats so its not a great way to think about what to 3bet, more importantly you should 3bet for a reason, either they fold to 3bets too much so we add bluffs, or they never fold to 3bets and we add value, so if a nit opens 10% from UTG and we are on the button with AK, and he folds 70% to 3bets, lets not 3bet AK because he will just fold everything we want to play against, instead, lets 3bet KK and AA for value, and then hands like AJs,KQs,KTs etc as "bluffs". Its kind of hard to just start 3betting good when you dont know much about it and when you have huge leaks like opening 20% on the button i think you should worry very little about having good 3betting ranges, because that's not where the most money is made, worry about that later when you just want to improve an already good win rate.

youregoodmate said:

Bold is irrelevant.

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Bold was a joke. Obv he does not have the ability to change the number of quads lol

I think you can open any suited ace, suited connector, suited one gapper. Even hands like J8 potentially.

Okay so you're stealing 42% from the button, so your range obviously isn't 20% from the button its 42%, which is a whole lot better than 20%, this is why PFR is a shitty stat, you could still probably steal wider from the button when theres tight guys in the blinds. All in all 25k hands is so little we cant actually say things like "you are breaking even in MP", like i always tell people who post stats of irrelevent samples, just keep posting hands in HA, will solve a lot more leaks than guessing at stats.

But when you do next post your position include RFI stat so we can see your true opening ranges

Also your steal success from the button is really high, in other words keep doing it, more and more! I'd also want to be opening more than 20% on the cut off, maybe 25-30%, just use pokerstove to find which hands to add, easy.

Also i think your steal % should be higher in the SB than the CO, so no worries there.

Acky, I think Dmorris said that tracker programs were trying to move from PFR to RFI b/c it doesnt take into account 3-bets or something? Im looking at a table now and have added RFI to my HUD.

Say a player is a 10/8 with a 25 RFI, what does this mean? Hes opening 25% of his hands and raising or 3-betting only 8%?

people use rfi because its a true representation of what your are opening, so you might actually be opening 100% of buttons but PFR might just say like 35% because a lot of the time someone raises before you and you dont get the opportunity to raise if you get me. I'd only use RFI apart from overall vpip/pfr thats on the hud.

If a player is 10/8 with a 25% RFI from the button it means he raises 25% from there, nothing to do with his 3bet % the 8% is just overall he raises 8% so he is a huge nit. So its useful to see how nitty he is but if he's a 10/8 and has a RFI of 40% on the button, then he is not nitty on the button and you adjust accordingly

No logan, keep vpip/pfr on the hud, its real useful to see how nitty/taggy/spewy someone is, but when you are facing a raise from them say they open MP and you're on the BTN, look at his RFI from MP on a popup to see what he's opening, or if ure in the blinds and button opens, make sure you look at his RFI from button or his steal from button stat (both will be exactly the same)

Yeah what he said 100%, RFI is a handy stat to look at and since i've been using it my 3bet% IP has gone right up, theres soooooooo many weak reg-fish that are playing very positionally aware solid ranges, but will fold/not adjust when 3bet tons from us when we're on BTN or in the blinds.

I have VPIP/PFR in my hud, but in a little separate HUD above the player names I have RFI stats for all positions in order, so I can quickly glance and see if someone is positionally aware and adjust from there when I'm IP

orangepeeleo said:

Yeah what he said 100%, RFI is a handy stat to look at and since i've been using it my 3bet% IP has gone right up, theres soooooooo many weak reg-fish that are playing very positionally aware solid ranges, but will fold/not adjust when 3bet tons from us when we're on BTN or in the blinds.

I have VPIP/PFR in my hud, but in a little separate HUD above the player names I have RFI stats for all positions in order, so I can quickly glance and see if someone is positionally aware and adjust from there when I'm IP

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Nice tip peeleo, thanks.

How should be our 3B on blinds?, im guessing that because we gona be OP when get call need to 3B like 4-5?

orangepeeleo said:

I have VPIP/PFR in my hud, but in a little separate HUD above the player names I have RFI stats for all positions in order, so I can quickly glance and see if someone is positionally aware and adjust from there when I'm IP

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For example:

orangepeeleo said:

For example:

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54 on BTN?, how is your sb raise 1st?

So pretty much my EP ranges and winns are solid correct?

Everything else need to work on lol.

Sorry, should have said

9 = EP , 17 = MP , 29 = CO & 54 = BTN