20nl-Trips on flush board

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Should I have given up completely? I decided to check call instead of betting and facing a raise.

Microgaming - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €19.16 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, hands: 109)
SB: €20.73 (VPIP: 27.96, PFR: 21.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 97)
BB: €26.91 (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (UTG): €26.50
MP: €24.53 (VPIP: 28.14, PFR: 22.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 243)
CO: €25.15 (VPIP: 29.82, PFR: 12.28, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 59)

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has J:diamond: T:diamond:

Hero raises to €0.60, fold, CO calls €0.60, fold, fold, BB calls €0.40

Flop: (€1.90, 3 players) 2:heart: Q:diamond: J:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets €0.90, CO calls €0.90, fold

Turn: (€3.70, 2 players) J:spade:
Hero bets €2.50, CO calls €2.50

River: (€8.70, 2 players) 3:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets €5.80, Hero calls €5.80

CO shows T:heart: A:heart: (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 68%, Flop 53%, Turn 25%)
Hero mucks J:diamond: T:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 32%, Flop 47%, Turn 75%)
CO wins €19.70
 
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Check-call flop. You probably have the best hand, want to induce bluffs, and don't want to get blown off your backdoor equity.

River is probably a fold unless you have reads someone is capable of barreling K10 here. You don't really beat anything but a bluff here. Qx checks back river, and I think a J raises the turn. But there's also only one J left in the deck, so it's less likely he has a Jack anyway.
 
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I c-bet a little bigger on the flop, but otherwise I play this the same way.

Be advised, though, that calling this river is my biggest leak, and one I can't seem to shake. ;)
 
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This board is wet enough to value bet middle pair on flop and I like bet/folding river about 60% pot against a passive fish.
 
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Check-call flop. You probably have the best hand, want to induce bluffs, and don't want to get blown off your backdoor equity.

River is probably a fold unless you have reads someone is capable of barreling K10 here. You don't really beat anything but a bluff here. Qx checks back river, and I think a J raises the turn. But there's also only one J left in the deck, so it's less likely he has a Jack anyway.


Agree with the fold, not sure about the check on the flop.
 
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I c-bet a little bigger on the flop, but otherwise I play this the same way.

Be advised, though, that calling this river is my biggest leak, and one I can't seem to shake. ;)

Seems we have the same one!

This board is wet enough to value bet middle pair on flop and I like bet/folding river about 60% pot against a passive fish.

Good point against a fish, but what about this specific scenario vrs a reg?
 
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I dont like the raise with JT from UTG for starters. (please dont reply telling me 'cos it was soooooted')

As played I think check call is your worst option, in my order of preference

Check fold (Unless they min bet or something like that)
Bet fold (maybe 30% pot)
Check call

I think too many micro stakes players get into check call mode by the river. They realise they probably arent ahead so check, but never seem able to lay down a hand that was previously best.
 
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I dont like the raise with JT from UTG for starters. (please dont reply telling me 'cos it was soooooted')

As played I think check call is your worst option, in my order of preference

Check fold (Unless they min bet or something like that)
Bet fold (maybe 30% pot)
Check call

I think too many micro stakes players get into check call mode by the river. They realise they probably arent ahead so check, but never seem able to lay down a hand that was previously best.

Only suggested check-call because we have the diamond BDFD and some BDSD. Without the diamond BDFD, I would probably check-fold. Any hand that gives us action is going to have us beat or have a ton of equity against us. Not to mention we can easily get bluffed off the best hand.

I strongly agree with folding J10s UTG, especially since people in general call way too much. I think suited connectors/weak suited broadways should only be opened at a nitty table. Or at stakes where people realize they shouldn't be calling KJo/dominated hands against UTG raises and actually fold more pre/3-bet (I imagine at the high stakes). So when we flop a pair, we can be dominated a lot of times, and we don't really want to see any Q/K/A. A lot of pots are going to be multi-way too since people call too much in general.
 
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I dont like the raise with JT from UTG for starters. (please dont reply telling me 'cos it was soooooted')

As played I think check call is your worst option, in my order of preference

Check fold (Unless they min bet or something like that)
Bet fold (maybe 30% pot)
Check call

I think too many micro stakes players get into check call mode by the river. They realise they probably arent ahead so check, but never seem able to lay down a hand that was previously best.

Only suggested check-call because we have the diamond BDFD and some BDSD. Without the diamond BDFD, I would probably check-fold. Any hand that gives us action is going to have us beat or have a ton of equity against us. Not to mention we can easily get bluffed off the best hand.

I strongly agree with folding J10s UTG, especially since people in general call way too much. I think suited connectors/weak suited broadways should only be opened at a nitty table. Or at stakes where people realize they shouldn't be calling KJo/dominated hands against UTG raises and actually fold more pre/3-bet (I imagine at the high stakes). So when we flop a pair, we can be dominated a lot of times, and we don't really want to see any Q/K/A. A lot of pots are going to be multi-way too since people call too much in general.


Id imagine it would be best to open it with loose callers behind... But I think I get your points.
 
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Id imagine it would be best to open it with loose callers behind... But I think I get your points.

It's really bad to open with loose players behind. I tried adding QJs and J10s to the bottom of my UTG opening range for some time at 100NL, and it was definitely not a great idea or winning hand. We are dominated by so many hands that shouldn't be calling an UTG range (KJo/QJs/QJo/AJo,etc) but are calling anyway. We're OOP so many times because people love calling, and being OOP is not so great no matter how skilled you are. A Q/K/A flops a lot, and we don't know where we are in the hand when we flop a pair. We can't take free cards when we please also since we're OOP. Etc.
 
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It's really bad to open with loose players behind. I tried adding QJs and J10s to the bottom of my UTG opening range for some time at 100NL, and it was definitely not a great idea or winning hand. We are dominated by so many hands that shouldn't be calling an UTG range (KJo/QJs/QJo/AJo,etc) but are calling anyway. We're OOP so many times because people love calling, and being OOP is not so great no matter how skilled you are. A Q/K/A flops a lot, and we don't know where we are in the hand when we flop a pair. We can't take free cards when we please also since we're OOP. Etc.

Spot on
 
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It's really bad to open with loose players behind. I tried adding QJs and J10s to the bottom of my UTG opening range for some time at 100NL, and it was definitely not a great idea or winning hand. We are dominated by so many hands that shouldn't be calling an UTG range (KJo/QJs/QJo/AJo,etc) but are calling anyway. We're OOP so many times because people love calling, and being OOP is not so great no matter how skilled you are. A Q/K/A flops a lot, and we don't know where we are in the hand when we flop a pair. We can't take free cards when we please also since we're OOP. Etc.

Awesome, appreciate it!
 
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