200NL

hey guys. the other day this guy came over to my house and wanted me to play the big 109 for him on stars, he gave me 100 bucks i deposited it for him on a new account and played the big 109. i min cashed and made something like 187 dollars. he wanted me to play it in a cash game.the bigger the better. so i said r u sure? he said yea. so i sat down with 187 at 200NL just to see what would happen. to make a long story short, i turned the 187 into 1300 dollars in 1 hour maximum. i could not believe it myself.i was flopping nut flushes. turning boats.etc etc. this has kinda gotten to my head because personally i have a roll usually at around 600 and i play the 50NL and the 25 NL day in and day out and i was thinking instead of following bankroll management and moving up slow motion ,to take my entire roll and go sit down at the 200NL and play solid aggressive poker and pray for the best. i mean why sit all day and grind the micros when you can take a shot or 2 at the higher tables and make what you make in a month in an hour. i dont know.im still thinking about it cause i rarely sit at 100NL but figure it might be very profitable to give it a shot. i mean seriously now, has anyone ever started at the micros and literally worked their bankroll up to a point that they moved from 25 NL (625$BR) all the way to 100NL(2,5K BR). if so i salute them and much respect to them. but i dont think i have the patience to do something like that. everytime i turn my 600 into 900 or so i take the 300 out as a little bonus and keep grinding the same tables i do now. i wanna know if anyones ever played at higher limits than they are supposed to be playing and won anything crazy. just wanna start a little conversation here. throwing some thoughts out there.

Of course people have gone from 25nl to 100nl using proper BRM.

If you play 200nl with your 3 buy-ins there is a high chance you'll go bust. You might make a grand or two but, more likely, you'll go bust. Up to you if you want to take the gamble really.

Whats your SN on stars? Wondering if i've played with you recently.

Dont do it....its almost a sure way to go bust. I did the same thing. I was running good and jumped from 2/5 to 5/10. big mistake for real

acky100 said:

Whats your SN on stars? Wondering if i've played with you recently.

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vinylspiros yours? which limits and what game type do u play usually?

imboosted said:

Dont do it....its almost a sure way to go bust. I did the same thing. I was running good and jumped from 2/5 to 5/10. big mistake for real

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i know man. but giving my friend the 1300 which was his of course made me feel like" damn thats supposed to be mine". but if u think about it its 50-50%. either zero or hero.

micromachine said:

Of course people have gone from 25nl to 100nl using proper BRM.

If you play 200nl with your 3 buy-ins there is a high chance you'll go bust. You might make a grand or two but, more likely, you'll go bust. Up to you if you want to take the gamble really.

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how long do you think it takes the average player on average to move up limits. for example to move from 25NL to 50NL. can u ,or anyone, give me a timefrime on how much time it"usually"takes? are we talking about 1 month? 1 week? 3 months. im not looking for "it depends" cause i know that.im looking for even a vague estimation. more or less. thnks bud.

i play 100 and a little 200, Arrran is mine, maybe see you there, im playing now

i wouldn't reccommend people starting at 25nl if they were new to online poker though, best to start at nl2 or nl5 and work your way up in my opinion, games are pretty tough at 200 and the swings are brutal.

vinylspiros said:

how long do you think it takes the average player on average to move up limits. for example to move from 25NL to 50NL. can u ,or anyone, give me a timefrime on how much time it"usually"takes? are we talking about 1 month? 1 week? 3 months. im not looking for "it depends" cause i know that.im looking for even a vague estimation. more or less. thnks bud.

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If your good and beating the levels for a decent winrate, and you don't tilt, moving up one level per month playing 30-40k hands is certainly possible.

I really cant be bothered to read the responses. I have no idea where you are at in your poker career, if your good, if your terrible etc. But my opinion on something like this is, at some point in everyone's poker career (except for extreme grinders who stay at 1 level for whole life) you will at some point have to make a decision like this. Not sayings its necessarily playing with 3BI but at some point you might be a 200nl reg and see the juiciest game at 600 or 1knl and jump into it because it is so profitable. Not because you are rolled or whatever but because the chance of success in that one session out ways the negative and might represent that big break

Its a personal choice and it really only comes from understanding yourself. You can grind 25nl and 50nl for the next few months and get their naturally. Same for any level once you put in the work. but sometimes we take risks. For some it turns out to be the best decision they could have made but for some (most liek 95% of them)they go busto, its a normal something. I think what a lot of people forget is that to reach the higher levels, you kinda have to have a bit of degen in you which again means at some point your gonna have to make a risky decision.

Also the concept of bank roll management is a personal choice. Granted no one should ever be comfortable for 3bi cause thats a disaster in the long run but where you feel ready to move up is your choice and comfort level, again for some its 100bi for some its 15. Its all about knowing yourself, the stage of life your in and your risk appetite and the value of the money to you.

Marginal said:

I really cant be bothered to read the responses. I have no idea where you are at in your poker career, if your good, if your terrible etc. But my opinion on something like this is, at some point in everyone's poker career (except for extreme grinders who stay at 1 level for whole life) you will at some point have to make a decision like this. Not sayings its necessarily playing with 3BI but at some point you might be a 200nl reg and see the juiciest game at 600 or 1knl and jump into it because it is so profitable. Not because you are rolled or whatever but because the chance of success in that one session out ways the negative and might represent that big break

Its a personal choice and it really only comes from understanding yourself. You can grind 25nl and 50nl for the next few months and get their naturally. Same for any level once you put in the work. but sometimes we take risks. For some it turns out to be the best decision they could have made but for some (most liek 95% of them)they go busto, its a normal something. I think what a lot of people forget is that to reach the higher levels, you kinda have to have a bit of degen in you which again means at some point your gonna have to make a risky decision.

Also the concept of bank roll management is a personal choice. Granted no one should ever be comfortable for 3bi cause thats a disaster in the long run but where you feel ready to move up is your choice and comfort level, again for some its 100bi for some its 15. Its all about knowing yourself, the stage of life your in and your risk appetite and the value of the money to you.

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great response man.i really enjoyed reading it. thats exactly how i see it and agree. "IF" at some point someone decides to make a risky move and it actually works out for them,it could be the difference it makes that will send someones poker carreer and life into a complete total direction. so there is two ways to go. the safe way that is long and boring but will probably get you where you want o go and then theres the fast way that is full of risk and danger but is also ten times faster and will get you there alot quicker than everyone else(assuming u dont get killed/go busto on the way). i preffer the safe way but am thinking about maybe trying out my luck in the 200NL at some point if im feeling lucky and am on some kind of good roll.

vinylspiros said:

great response man.i really enjoyed reading it. thats exactly how i see it and agree. "IF" at some point someone decides to make a risky move and it actually works out for them,it could be the difference it makes that will send someones poker carreer and life into a complete total direction. so there is two ways to go. the safe way that is long and boring but will probably get you where you want o go and then theres the fast way that is full of risk and danger but is also ten times faster and will get you there alot quicker than everyone else(assuming u dont get killed/go busto on the way). i preffer the safe way but am thinking about maybe trying out my luck in the 200NL at some point if im feeling lucky and am on some kind of good roll.

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I hope you didnt gloss over the small mention I made that like 95% of people who take that fast approach go broke. Its a big thing to consider. If you do take that approach there is no going back. Your not going to end up playing and winning 500 or 1k and then go back to 50nl, same if you lose 1 bi, your going to stick the rest in and hope.

Again, if you dont care for 600 and can reload and go back to like 25nl then take the shot but if its your whole poker roll, i'd advise against it.


Anyway, Im not here to convince you of either way, all I can do is say GL. Im pretty sure youve made up your mind from before you posted this thread though.

Marginal said:

I hope you didnt gloss over the small mention I made that like 95% of people who take that fast approach go broke. Its a big thing to consider. If you do take that approach there is no going back. Your not going to end up playing and winning 500 or 1k and then go back to 50nl, same if you lose 1 bi, your going to stick the rest in and hope.

Again, if you dont care for 600 and can reload and go back to like 25nl then take the shot but if its your whole poker roll, i'd advise against it.


Anyway, Im not here to convince you of either way, all I can do is say GL. Im pretty sure youve made up your mind from before you posted this thread though.

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yea man,i sure did take those points into account. im a pretty experienced player.i know exactly how it goes. ive felt the lows of low and the ups of up countless times. i know the dangers and the possibilities of succeeding(very low). been playing for 1 year and a half nonstop 24/7 almost. zoom sng's etc etc. just wanted to start a little thread here and chat with others about issues like this. i really appreciate your posts though. thanks for the good luck. good luck to you too. i still have alot of holes in my game.id say my biggest hole is hating pot control when i have a monster and fail to notice trips(guy going over my aggression) or believe flushes cause im in such a hurry to stack him off. anyways man ,good luck and thanks again. as far as the 200NL ,its definitely on hold for the moment.just wanted to discuss the possibilities of it being successful here with people that have seen a thing or two more than me.

Sick run. Congrats. If you do it again and get 2k go for the 25/50 NL and get your name in the high stakes db. That would be so sick will look for your user name in the high stakes db in a couple of weeks. Will be bummed if I don't see you there.

GOOD LUCK

I know people who have moved up properly using strict BRM and are now playing $2knl, but if you can't or won't put the time in it's either go degen or try to bink a nice MTT cash....

It really seems like you can crack this. Highstakes is made for a few people, its kill or be killed and I think you can kill it. You just need to focus on your temperament, make sure you limber up before you play and always keep hydrated, those tables are hot.

Ive heard rumours that the 200nl tables are the softest around cos of all the rich business men that play like all the time.

bz54321 said:

Sick run. Congrats. If you do it again and get 2k go for the 25/50 NL and get your name in the high stakes db. That would be so sick will look for your user name in the high stakes db in a couple of weeks. Will be bummed if I don't see you there.

GOOD LUCK

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BZ thanks man for the support. good to see you here posting. always good to have support from good people. right now im all over the place .laying all soorts of tables besides my normal 50NL and 25 NL. im trying to get myself a good plan and make some money.:adore:

youregoodmate said:

It really seems like you can crack this. Highstakes is made for a few people, its kill or be killed and I think you can kill it. You just need to focus on your temperament, make sure you limber up before you play and always keep hydrated, those tables are hot.

Ive heard rumours that the 200nl tables are the softest around cos of all the rich business men that play like all the time.

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When i close my eyes at night,do you want to know what i dream about? i dream about having a 5K roll and being able to play 200 NL without having to think:"omg how can i call an all inner with less than the nuts". THATS the problem when ur underbankrolled for those limits. cause most of the time you are going to be asked to call all ins with way less than the nuts . so it takes alot of luck to sit there with 2-3 BI's and go huge. anyways man thanks or posting.this is a plan thats on my mind and if i ever feel good enough i might go lose all my money in 15 minutes just for the F_ _K of it. lol take it easy.

forget it,im sticking to my limits. no way im gonna go throw my hard earned cash in the garbage. but if anyone else decides to do it,let me know what happend.

dont do it, you will get killed imo

vinylspiros said:

forget it,im sticking to my limits. no way im gonna go throw my hard earned cash in the garbage. but if anyone else decides to do it,let me know what happend.

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Good plan... After I build some I am going to degen it off. Will let you know if or when it happens. I am sure you can grind it up so you are rolled for 200nl its only a matter of time.

It is a mistake man . No matter what some ppl say. Do not move up without proper BRM. It is not something i said. Great players said this. Good players went busto because they did not respected this simple rule. Great players are not the ones that shine for a moment. Great players are the ones that realy made it for a long time. Remember Chris Moneymaker.
Poker is a game where you have to learn to profit from the long run.You have to reduce the gambling factor involved and profit from being better in most of the hands you play for a long period of time If you want to crack it up to higher stakes without BRM it is just gambling.

Marginal said:

I really cant be bothered to read the responses. I have no idea where you are at in your poker career, if your good, if your terrible etc. But my opinion on something like this is, at some point in everyone's poker career (except for extreme grinders who stay at 1 level for whole life) you will at some point have to make a decision like this. Not sayings its necessarily playing with 3BI but at some point you might be a 200nl reg and see the juiciest game at 600 or 1knl and jump into it because it is so profitable. Not because you are rolled or whatever but because the chance of success in that one session out ways the negative and might represent that big break

Its a personal choice and it really only comes from understanding yourself. You can grind 25nl and 50nl for the next few months and get their naturally. Same for any level once you put in the work. but sometimes we take risks. For some it turns out to be the best decision they could have made but for some (most liek 95% of them)they go busto, its a normal something. I think what a lot of people forget is that to reach the higher levels, you kinda have to have a bit of degen in you which again means at some point your gonna have to make a risky decision.

Also the concept of bank roll management is a personal choice. Granted no one should ever be comfortable for 3bi cause thats a disaster in the long run but where you feel ready to move up is your choice and comfort level, again for some its 100bi for some its 15. Its all about knowing yourself, the stage of life your in and your risk appetite and the value of the money to you.

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Since I have never publicly agreed with Marg, let me take this opportunity to do so. Not that I ever disagree with him.

Same situation applies to tourney play. We are bankrolled for certain BI's and that is a comfort level thing. Occasionally we must step out of our comfort zone. Even when it works out well, we return to our comfort level, but find ourselves enticed by the new possibilities. It is part of the process.

Just a way to go bust. I think you should take shots but its really about if you can deposit easily and if you can be comfortable going back to down if things don't work out for you.

Im no expert on cash games as i dont play them, but i would advise you not to gamble at the higher level tables with such a limited bankroll. Infact playing too high is very risky and if you are ok seeing your bankroll wiped out, you can take that risk.