12 TABLE BUYINS ?

Hi Guys !
I talked with nanonoko recently and he told me some stuffs about how many buyins you would need to have. I´m kinda dissapointed that i had to go out and didnt have time to ask all my questions.

He said that minimum you would need 20 BI for 1 table CG.
Can you guys tell how many BI i would need for 8 tables 10 and 12 tables aswell ?

I´ll try to have this for living so i want serious advice, how many the pros need, etc.. Well i heard something like 50+ BI for pros but i dont know if that is 1 table or 20 tables so hope you guys can help me out !

Thanks guys !

The number of tables really doesn't matter as long as you have enough to cover BI's and rebuys on those tables AND playing so many tables doesn't negatively effect your WR to the point were it would be better to play fewer tables. I'd advise no fewer than 100 BI for a true professional BR.

Okey, Can someone write down like
1 Table = X Buy ins
8 Table = X Buy ins
12 Table = X Buy ins

Thanks guys !

Doesn't matter
1 table = 100 BIs
20 tables = 100 BIs

Are you sure ?
Can someone else confirm this ?

Ye that is correct, it doesnt matter how many tables you are playing your BR will be the same. As long as you can cover the rebuys during each session it doesnt matter that you are playing more tables as WHV said

He is correct. Playing 2 tables should be treated the same as playing 1 for twice the amount of time.

RythmAndBlues said:

Are you sure ?
Can someone else confirm this ?

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I mean you can play with lighter BR requirements overall (20, 50, 75 Buy-ins) but the number will the same regardless of the number of tables you're playing.

RythmAndBlues said:

Are you sure ?
Can someone else confirm this ?

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What's the difference between flipping 1 coin 100 times, and flipping 100 coins?

I understand why everyone says it doesnt matter the number stays the same, but Id argue the more tables the more buyins. At least I wouldn't want to be playing 20 buyin BRM and 10 tables meaning that half my bankroll is in play.

Also as to BRM people seem to not to mention the biggest aspect, moving down. In general a 20 BI rule would work, but once you lose 1 cent you no longer have 20 buyins and should move down a level.

Okey guys but Nanonoko told me this
Me: How many buy ins do you need to play Cashgame ?
Nano: I would recommend atleast 20.
Me: Isn´t that too little ?
Nano: I mean thats for 1 tableing.

What does this mean guys ? You need more buy ins for more tables you think now ?
I mean this guy knows his stuff

You need enough buyins to be comfortable and not be playing with scared money. What one person is comfortable playing with the next may not be. Set your own BRM rules. To me the more important factor in BRM is when you move down.

20, 50, 100 BIs it doesnt really matter as long as you stick to it and move down when you do not have enough.

ask for advice, tell everyone to **** off who isn't nanonoko lol. GG cardschat.

acky100 said:

ask for advice, tell everyone to **** off who isn't nanonoko lol. GG cardschat.

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this^ + lmao

My advice for you is to have about 100 buy-ins for every game you are going to play. It gives you a mental comfort.

RythmAndBlues said:

Okey guys but Nanonoko told me this
Me: How many buy ins do you need to play Cashgame ?
Nano: I would recommend atleast 20.
Me: Isn´t that too little ?
Nano: I mean thats for 1 tableing.

What does this mean guys ? You need more buy ins for more tables you think now ?
I mean this guy knows his stuff

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He's obviously a very good player, but doesn't mean mere mortals like me who play far less and far lower should take whatever he says as absolute gospel and implement it without thinking it through and evaluating it in the light of how / how much our own circumstances differ from his or from the context-free nature of the question and his answer.

Are you a winning player playing >1 table?

Aside from your ability to play multiple tables profitably, and recognizing that nanoko is probably one the greatest multi-tabling cyborgs, er, I mean, humans alive, doesn't mean he has all the answers or at least holds the prevailing opinion on the subject.

As others have posted, it is well documented that # of buy-ins is not predicated on number of tables. It doesn't matter if you play 100 $5 SnGs one after another, or 100 at a time. Your risk of ruin is exactly the same.

What DOES matter, as Jagsti points out, is whether you can be profitable at however many tables you play. Anytime you multi-table, you can expect your $/100 winrate to go down but your $/hr rate to go up (assuming you're a profitable player). If you're not going to be profitable, it doesn't matter as you'll exhaust your BR eventually no matter how much you "pad" it for multiple tables -- you're just throwing away money.

So in a nutshell: if you're profitable at however many tables you choose to play, you do not need more buy-ins, regardless of what nonoko suggests. And FWIW I didn't really see him suggest otherwise. Just that you need 20 minimum for 1 table. That's really on the low side of BRM, so yeah I'd say if your risk:ruin ratio is going to be that high, you probably are better off at one table. I'd be surprised though if he thinks a 100BI bankroll makes a difference.

Isn't 20 BI the absolute minimum? That's what I have always heard. It seems like that is what Randy meant. If you are playing 1 table of cash you should be 20 BI deep MIN. If you are playing 2 tables, still 20 BI deep MIN. 3 tables, 20 BI deep MIN. Where it is different is like 10 tables would probably still be 20 BI. 15 tables probably 30 BI MIN. 20 tables you probably want 40 BI MIN. 24 tables 48 BI MIN. You just want to be able to rebuy at each table if you lose a BI. You aren't going to lose a BI at every table, but you might lose multiple BI at a table or something. You just want to be able to rebuy or top up and not have to leave because you ran out of money.

Helmuth told me at least 30buyins.

Me: Phil, how many buyins do I need playin' multiple tables?

Phil: I would want to have at least 30 buyins.

Me: Okay thanks Phil. Good Luck in the wsop series.

Phil: Thanks, I just had my 86th WSOP cash last night in Event#2. Some freak'n Northern Euro donk sucked out on my JJ earlier on just before bubble popped... otherwise I'm sure I'd have be in contention for a bracelet in it.

Me: See ya Phil. I'd talk to you a bit longer but I'm pretty busy with other stuff right now... I gotta go get a jug of milk from 7/11 before the old lady bytches me out. Know what I'm sayin'? If I'm not too busy later maybe I'll answer your call.

Phil: Ok bud. See ya. I'll keep calling back til' I get ahold of you if you're not answering when I call. Oh.. & good luck in that Cardschat Freeroll on Carbon today. Take it down Baby!!!

Poker Orifice said:

Helmuth told me at least 30buyins.

Me: Phil, how many buyins do I need playin' multiple tables?

Phil: I would want to have at least 30 buyins.

Me: Okay thanks Phil. Good Luck in the WSOP series.

Phil: Thanks, I just had my 86th WSOP cash last night in Event#2. Some freak'n Northern Euro donk sucked out on my JJ earlier on just before bubble popped... otherwise I'm sure I'd have be in contention for a bracelet in it.

Me: See ya Phil. I'd talk to you a bit longer but I'm pretty busy with other stuff right now... I gotta go get a jug of milk from 7/11 before the old lady bytches me out. Know what I'm sayin'? If I'm not too busy later maybe I'll answer your call.

Phil: Ok bud. See ya. I'll keep calling back til' I get ahold of you if you're not answering when I call. Oh.. & good luck in that Cardschat Freeroll on Carbon today. Take it down Baby!!!

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He still talking to you? Didnt you call his all in with QTs vs his KK and flop TTx?

But who can respect his raises????

loool well played P.O.

I'd say you need more BI for the more tables you play. Your bb/100 will decrease as you add in more tables, lower edge means more variance, means bigger bankroll necessary

Pascal-lf said:

loool well played P.O.

I'd say you need more BI for the more tables you play. Your bb/100 will decrease as you add in more tables, lower edge means more variance, means bigger bankroll necessary

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More tables <> more variance.

Variance comes quicker because of the increased volume, but it does not come in significantly greater quantity. This his been argued and proven in other discussions.

And as I said, bb/100 declines but bb/hr increases... if you're profitable. If you're not profitable then drop tables and/or stakes until you are, at which point again BR is no different than for single tables.

lower edge increases variance, more tables means lower edge

But the tighter play required of more tables == less variance compared to the looser player of fewer tables == more variance. So your edge scenario is mitigated.

Interesting thread on this subject here to keep from derailing this one. Pascal, you and I both posted in it. Funny enough, you posted on the side of less variance while I acknowledged (as did others) that the answer really depends on how you define variance. So now we're inconsistently consistent. Or consistently inconsistent.

EDIT: Also any percieved "penalty" due to variance can be mitigated for RB/VIP players due to the greater offset of losses with the increased volume. Again this assumes you're a slightly profitable player (or even just consistently break-even, if the volume and rewards are high enough you can still grind a decent living).