10nl: Why is my redline so bad??

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My non-showdown winnings are looking pretty grim - i feel the losses should be half what they are right now. Was wondering if you guys could take a look at my attached stats to see if you can figure out what might be causing such a bad redline cos it's seriously demolishing my winrate. I'm wondering if maybe my cbet % is too high? or i could be leaking in the blinds? the stats to look at are the ones on the right not the left
 

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it seems like i'm losing a lot more without showdown than i should be. i've examined other microstakes players graphs and their redline (or green line in my case) is about half as low as mine.
 
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So firstly just be clear in your mind what the redline represents that will help you avoid getting into the wrong spots. Generally a bad red line is from being too passive postflop, not having the initiative enough and calling on the flop and then giving up when you don't improve. Your wtsd is just a little low which tells me you are giving up on hands on the turn and river a little too much.
The flop needs to become your defining moment in the hand, decide then what your plan is for the hand and don't call speculatively.
I also have problems with the red line and have a few strategies to combat the leaks.
Firstly cut right down on any calling with speculative hands when oop.
In fact I'm trying to cut down on all cold calling generally preflop. Its just so much harder to win the hand as a caller as opposed to being the opener.
I constantly find my self limping along in the semi blind with connectors when it only costs me 1bb to see a cheap flop. However when I reviewed these hands in leakbuster and they are big losers in the long run, I never win enough to compensate for all the little limps. If you do want to play these hands you have to be able to bluff with them.
Looking at your red line i can't see that many upward jumps so it doesn't look to me like you are bluffing enough on the river generally (not unlike myself by the way)
The problem with playing connectors is you often catch enough of it to call on the flop but then have to give up later in the hand so it is nearly always a bigger loss than just the original 1bb when completing. I have cut my sb vpip right down and this is helping.
Your biggest leak at a glance looks like you are folding to a 3bet yourself 10-20% more than you should. Once your fold to 3bet stat starts to get too high (above 65-70 other regs will see it and 3bet you a lot more than usual. So make sure you have a comfortable well thought out 4 bet strategy. There is nothing like taking hands down pre with a 4 bet to help the red line.
I have to go out now but as we have similar problems at the same levels I'd be happy to hook up on skype and talk about it with you and perhaps sweat a session or so if you want to PM me your skype name.
 
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Thanks for the great advice! i'll send you a PM and i'd love to have a sweat session :)
 
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My suggestion would be to double more often. You're opening range is pretty strong and you're cbetting a good amount but then giving up on the turn a bit too often. I'm not sure how many callers you're getting in your games but if it's too many to make cbetting/doubling profitable, consider opening slightly larger preflop to get fewer callers and/or cbetting slightly less often when you do get multiple callers.
 
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my last 6000 hands

OK I started really concentrating on the redline this as part of my plan and goals as I outlined in my own thread
Here is a chart of my last 6k of hands and the improvement just making those few adjustments I discussed above.
I'm sure its possible to improve this even further above 0 as i'm still not three betting anywhere near enough.
 

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My suggestion would be to double more often. You're opening range is pretty strong and you're cbetting a good amount but then giving up on the turn a bit too often. I'm not sure how many callers you're getting in your games but if it's too many to make cbetting/doubling profitable, consider opening slightly larger preflop to get fewer callers and/or cbetting slightly less often when you do get multiple callers.

Thanks for the advice. i do double sometimes but probably not enough. i also think i cbet perhaps a bit too much. i heard someone say 60% is more optimal, so i might lower it to try and reach somewhere around that figure. i agree about not betting multiway. even on dry boards, betting into two or more players without decent equity i very often get called by at least one player (often fishy).
 
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OK I started really concentrating on the redline this as part of my plan and goals as I outlined in my own thread
Here is a chart of my last 6k of hands and the improvement just making those few adjustments I discussed above.
I'm sure its possible to improve this even further above 0 as i'm still not three betting anywhere near enough.

that's sick dude, keep it up! i'll experiment with the suggestions you gave me and see if it works for me
 
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Thanks for the advice. i do double sometimes but probably not enough. i also think i cbet perhaps a bit too much. i heard someone say 60% is more optimal, so i might lower it to try and reach somewhere around that figure. i agree about not betting multiway. even on dry boards, betting into two or more players without decent equity i very often get called by at least one player (often fishy).

WVH nailed it already. As a slight addition, in mutliway pots at FR, I doubt we should be cbetting too wide when we miss seeing as were probably going against slightly stronger ranges pre that won't want to fold on missed flops.

Stats look good bro, keep it up
 
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