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So I have went on a 20BI downer following a 10 BI downer at 25NL

I suppose now would be a good time to bare it all and dissect the meltdown while I am back at 5NL =(
 
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I'll post 2 at a time, one in which I won and one in which I lose so that I make sure to not just analyze a hand just because I'm butthurt over it, results will of course be hidden.

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poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2425211
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SB: $22.08 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 399
BB: $8.42 - VPIP: 63, PFR: 46, 3B: 17, AF: 4.6, hands: 164
UTG: $15.66 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 21, 3B: 17, AF: 1.9, Hands: 178
MP: $34.83 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 14, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 854
CO: $10.76 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 17, 3B: 10, AF: 7.2, Hands: 513
Hero (BTN): $22.51 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 180070

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q
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Q
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) Q
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3
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K
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SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($2.10) 9
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SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, SB raises to $3.80, BB folds, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($9.70) 7
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SB bets $6.90, Hero calls $6.90



This one....I seriously considered folding, but that overbet is just weird if he indeed has an overpair here.

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2425214
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BB: $6.04 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 12, 3B: 9, AF: 2.3, Hands: 85
UTG: $10.62 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 20.0, Hands: 188
MP: $10.56 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 3.0, Hands: 133
CO: $21.83 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 1.9, Hands: 883
Hero (BTN): $16.64 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 180070
SB: $10.48 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 10, 3B: 12, AF: 8.0, Hands: 134

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A
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J
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2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 6
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8
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J
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BB checks, CO bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, BB folds

Turn: ($2.35) 8
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CO bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

River: ($5.55) 4
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CO bets $5.80, Hero calls $5.80
 
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On the first hand after getting two callers on the flop I would for sure lead out with a bet closer to pot sized on the turn and flatting the river is fine I guess if you put him on J10 which is what I suspect he might hold.

2nd hand I have a feeling villian 3 barreled with AK or AQ or maybe 99-1010?
 
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On the first hand after getting two callers on the flop I would for sure lead out with a bet closer to pot sized on the turn and flatting the river is fine I guess if you put him on J10 which is what I suspect he might hold.

2nd hand I have a feeling villian 3 barreled with AK or AQ or maybe 99-1010?

Oh well shoot me. I didn't even realize I have bet THAT small.
Well that's kinda dog stupid. :p
 
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Yeah Yeah I figured cbetting is standard, but would this be a decent line against a loose agrofish with an AF of 6+ at the micros?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2425224
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BB: $8.34 - VPIP: 83, PFR: 10, 3B: 14, AF: 6.7, Hands: 71
Hero (UTG): $10.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 180070
MP: $27.60 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 3.4, Hands: 572
CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 114
BTN: $11.59 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 51
SB: $14.83 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 14.0, Hands: 466

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 9 :club: 9 :diamond:
Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 4 :spade: 6 :club: A :diamond: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.95) 3 :club: (3 players)
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, CO folds

River: ($1.95) 8 :club: (2 players)
BB bets $1.00, Hero calls $1
 
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Too thin?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 2425226
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SB: $12.09 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 13, AF: 2.6, Hands: 166
Hero (BB): $18.70 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 180070
CO: $12.34 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 27, 3B: 14, AF: 4.1, Hands: 623
BTN: $32.40 - VPIP: 77, PFR: 38, 3B: 12, AF: 1.2, Hands: 142

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with T
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A
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CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.40, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.40) A
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2
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3
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Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.40) 5
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Hero bets $3.00, BTN calls $3

River: ($12.40) 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $12.80, BTN calls $12.80
 
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First scene: Your moves are fine for me. You have to pay him off if he has the straight. No way you will fold your hand at the river. There are many hands he might be holding you beat.

Second scene: Again, you have to pay him off if he has overpair or got trips/fullhouse at the streets. But you know, I would really pause for a long time here at the river. Its really either fold or call here in my part. 45% I would
fold and 55% I would call.
 
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On the 3rd hand you have to CBet that A64 flop but since you didn't I don't mind the call down.

On the fourth hand just fold pre. Do you really want to play a marginal ace OOP against a very LAG player?
 
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On the 3rd hand you have to CBet that A64 flop but since you didn't I don't mind the call down.

On the fourth hand just fold pre. Do you really want to play a marginal ace OOP against a very LAG player?

Absolutely not folding pre, why fold when I'm ahead 90 pct of the time pre. I suppose I should also tell you that dude never folds to 3bets
 
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Absolutely not folding pre, why fold when I'm ahead 90 pct of the time pre. I suppose I should also tell you that dude never folds to 3bets

To me, that is even more reason to NOT 3 bet A10 OOP against a LAG. But I was not there and do not have the same read you did, what was villian holding that hand?
 
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What you were thinking during a hand is at least as important as what you did. On hand 1 for instance, why did you think min-opening pre was the best action? Why did you only lead the flop for 40 on a fairly wet board? Why call the turn check-raise, and what was your plan at that point for the river?
 
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To me, that is even more reason to NOT 3 bet A10 OOP against a LAG. But I was not there and do not have the same read you did, what was villian holding that hand?

47 off suit.
 
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What you were thinking during a hand is at least as important as what you did. On hand 1 for instance, why did you think min-opening pre was the best action? Why did you only lead the flop for 40 on a fairly wet board? Why call the turn check-raise, and what was your plan at that point for the river?

Errr I did not min open? Yeah I kinda made a mistake, think I thought there were only two involved and the pot is 60cents. Autopilot ftl.:(

I figured on the turn it could still be 2p or a worse set. I was aware jt is there.
 
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In the first hand there is absolutely nothing you can do, if he really had JT you just gotta pay him off. It doesn't matter how much you had bet the flop he was gonna call. I am never ever folding that hand. A set on a rainbow board with no 4 to a straight? Nobody is folding that.

In the second hand there are only 2 scenarios in my opinion. He either has trips/full house or nothing. When someone over bets the pot on the river, in my experience its usually a monster. Very few players make over sized bluffs.

The third hand is okay I guess given the BB's stats. And I no I don't think you should raise on the flop because you have a player behind.

The fourth hand is just bad bad play. What are you thinking making a 3 bet with ATo out of position? Okay we all sometimes get aggressive with not so good hands but as far as I am concerned I would be done with the hand after the call on the flop. I hope you realize that bet on the river is actually a semi-bluff and not a value bet.
 
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1. Bet much larger OTF, 3Bet Jam turn

2. I probably find a fold OTR.

3. Meh dunno, I would need more stats and an indication of how he is playing to say what is right.

4. Why the hell are we overbetting the river when we bet so small OTF? We should be betting larger in the streets where his calling range is widest, which IMO is the flop. Bomb the flop, size turn for a river shove and then shove river.
 
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In the first hand there is absolutely nothing you can do, if he really had JT you just gotta pay him off. It doesn't matter how much you had bet the flop he was gonna call. I am never ever folding that hand. A set on a rainbow board with no 4 to a straight? Nobody is folding that.

In the second hand there are only 2 scenarios in my opinion. He either has trips/full house or nothing. When someone over bets the pot on the river, in my experience its usually a monster. Very few players make over sized bluffs.

The third hand is okay I guess given the BB's stats. And I no I don't think you should raise on the flop because you have a player behind.

The fourth hand is just bad bad play. What are you thinking making a 3 bet with ATo out of position? Okay we all sometimes get aggressive with not so good hands but as far as I am concerned I would be done with the hand after the call on the flop. I hope you realize that bet on the river is actually a semi-bluff and not a value bet.

Errrr.....there's no such thing as semibluff on the river....it's either a bluff or a value bet. And you're right, it's probably more of a bluff, i guess even fish can't call with worse than AT there
 
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1. Bet much larger OTF, 3Bet Jam turn

2. I probably find a fold OTR.

3. Meh dunno, I would need more stats and an indication of how he is playing to say what is right.

4. Why the hell are we overbetting the river when we bet so small OTF? We should be betting larger in the streets where his calling range is widest, which IMO is the flop. Bomb the flop, size turn for a river shove and then shove river.

4th hand - wow you're right, looking back I didn't realize how silly that was o_O, what was i smoking OTF?
 
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In the first hand there is absolutely nothing you can do, if he really had JT you just gotta pay him off. It doesn't matter how much you had bet the flop he was gonna call. I am never ever folding that hand. A set on a rainbow board with no 4 to a straight? Nobody is folding that.

In the second hand there are only 2 scenarios in my opinion. He either has trips/full house or nothing. When someone over bets the pot on the river, in my experience its usually a monster. Very few players make over sized bluffs.

The third hand is okay I guess given the BB's stats. And I no I don't think you should raise on the flop because you have a player behind.

The fourth hand is just bad bad play. What are you thinking making a 3 bet with ATo out of position? Okay we all sometimes get aggressive with not so good hands but as far as I am concerned I would be done with the hand after the call on the flop. I hope you realize that bet on the river is actually a semi-bluff and not a value bet.

I don't normally 3bet AT OOP at all. It just felt like I could get so much value in at that time seeing as villain opens 70+ percent hands and never folds 3bet, though I suppose the difficult situations it will pose later on defeats the whole point of getting money in ahead preflop.
 
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It seems your biggest issue is betsizing. This can lead to other problems on later streets whihc again, appears to be the problem.

I think you played them fairly well overall, but need to adjust your bets in certain cases. I agree with what everyone said in regards to the bet sizes. thats where i would start and go from there
 
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Only the AT hand is bad play and I think you were probably on tilt at that time?
 
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Only the AT hand is bad play and I think you were probably on tilt at that time?

The AT hand wasn't bad play. The line taken was fine, the only alterations needed are to change betsizing so as to make more value per street.
 
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