1$ tourneys and slow playing..

ok can somebody explain to me why is everybody slowplaying preflop at this level? I`ve been slowplayed so many times with pocket AAs KKs QQs AKs AQs what the hell?? did anybody explain to you what raising is???????

pokerstars Game #17181399157: Tournament #86967488, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/05/03 - 19:37:06 (ET)
Table '86967488 184' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: gskowal (3550 in chips)
Seat 2: Shytbrik (2230 in chips)
Seat 3: MikeyTx52 (3710 in chips)
Seat 4: heYda1982 (2880 in chips)
Seat 5: frankpr (1310 in chips)
Seat 6: jack502 (1065 in chips)
Seat 7: ngba3287 (2805 in chips)
Seat 8: hafasanwich1 (1893 in chips)
Seat 9: Mantisprey (4640 in chips)
gskowal: posts small blind 25
Shytbrik: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gskowal [9s 9c]
MikeyTx52: folds
heYda1982: folds
frankpr: calls 50
jack502: calls 50
ngba3287: folds
hafasanwich1: folds
Mantisprey: folds
gskowal: raises 200 to 250
Shytbrik: folds
frankpr: raises 1060 to 1310 and is all-in
jack502: folds
gskowal: calls 1060
*** FLOP *** [Kh 3d 3s]
*** TURN *** [Kh 3d 3s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 3d 3s Qs] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gskowal: shows [9s 9c] (two pair, Nines and Threes)
frankpr: shows [Kc Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Threes)
gskowal said, "slow playing donk"
frankpr collected 2720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2720 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 3d 3s Qs Td]
Seat 1: gskowal (small blind) showed [9s 9c] and lost with two pair, Nines and Threes
Seat 2: Shytbrik (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: MikeyTx52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: heYda1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: frankpr showed [Kc Kd] and won (2720) with a full house, Kings full of Threes
Seat 6: jack502 folded before Flop
Seat 7: ngba3287 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: hafasanwich1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Mantisprey (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

another one...

PokerStars Game #17182018903: Tournament #86967488, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/05/03 - 20:08:33 (ET)
Table '86967488 184' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: gskowal (1640 in chips)
Seat 2: Shytbrik (2948 in chips)
Seat 3: MikeyTx52 (2009 in chips)
Seat 4: heYda1982 (4207 in chips)
Seat 5: dogeatdoggie (2575 in chips)
Seat 6: jack502 (3110 in chips)
Seat 7: velta (20175 in chips)
Seat 8: hafasanwich1 (3529 in chips)
Seat 9: Mantisprey (5340 in chips)
hafasanwich1: posts small blind 75
Mantisprey: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gskowal [4d 4c]
gskowal: folds
Shytbrik: folds
MikeyTx52: folds
heYda1982: folds
dogeatdoggie: calls 150
jack502: folds
velta: raises 450 to 600
hafasanwich1: folds
Mantisprey: folds
dogeatdoggie: raises 1975 to 2575 and is all-in
velta: calls 1975
*** FLOP *** [7h 9h 7s]
*** TURN *** [7h 9h 7s] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [7h 9h 7s Jc] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dogeatdoggie: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
velta: shows [Js Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Sevens)
gskowal said, "another slow playing limper with AAs"
velta collected 5375 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5375 | Rake 0
Board [7h 9h 7s Jc 8s]
Seat 1: gskowal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Shytbrik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: MikeyTx52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: heYda1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dogeatdoggie showed [Ac As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sevens
Seat 6: jack502 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: velta (button) showed [Js Jd] and won (5375) with a full house, Jacks full of Sevens
Seat 8: hafasanwich1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Mantisprey (big blind) folded before Flop

lol it seems to work, do you just expect everyone to play exactly as you want them to?

zachvac said:

lol it seems to work, do you just expect everyone to play exactly as you want them to?

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no but why would you slow play KK??? obviously its a wrong play... 1. you let people limp in and outdraw you.. 2. the pot is smaller then if you would have raised... so why limp???

probably due to lack of experience, trying to keep people in the pot to extract value from the hand instead of raising to protect themselves against draws.
Mind you, raising with KK doesn't always guarantee that players will fold even Ace rag ( as I'm sure we've all seen ) and then draw the A or fill a str8 to make you feel like commiting murder or suicide

I have seen more and more do it and as zach said it works . sometimes that is . mostly I associate the play to lower level players and always see them limp in then raise all in thinking they got the nuts . that 2,5 ,9 board that everyone was in on could have hit any of those crap hands hard .

what many are trying to do is get a raise behind them so they can have more money in the pot when they come back over them in case they don't call . but that backfires with no raise behind and it's very easy to get aces crammed in a limped pot.

maybe they think they make more cause they can stack you if you hit TPTK . I do know I've seen it alot lately by more exp. players and it does work alot but I'm not sure I want to try it very often.

1. Playing a hand the same way all the time is wrong. That said, the standard play that a good player would make most often is to raise preflop.

2. He's like 25 BBs deep, so he doesn't have to worry as much about people outdrawing him. In a deepstack situation you've got a point, but effective stacks for him are small

3. There are people who will raise preflop and stack because of that deceptive value (see #1) with much worse hands than they would have otherwise. Honestly if you're going to stack 99 with a limp, that limping may even be the theoretically correct play.

[x] pissed because they slow played and he lost, therefore of course they are donks

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Like the other bad beat hands, make a note that this player likes to slow-play big hands before the flop and then move on.

i see that

i see that also when playing, the slow playing of great cards i guess
the new breed of poker players are different

are you aware you are showing the benefits of slowplaying in the HH

And lol at you calling him a donk after you called the all in with 9's

there dumb donks there in $1 stakes it happens i guess

You called someone a donk because they slow played a strong hand and beat you? Thats pretty lame, IMO. I guess everyone that doesnt play 'by-the-book' and/or how you see fit is a donk, right?

You should probably stop playing poker because you probably will never find a table that'll please you if you complain about something as minor as this.

^^ my thoughts exactly
but before u quit, u wanna play HU?

My friend when in Rome do as the Romans. Fight fire with fire but bring a pale of water.

odinscott said:

[x] pissed because they slow played and he lost, therefore of course they are donks

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This is exactly what I was thinking.. "damn you slow playing donks, you beat me again!!"

maybe ppl could tell u they r slow playing make it fair/give u a chance kinda thing lol

you guys dont understand a thing.... The point of my post was that in the 1$ tourneys almost nobody raises, everyone just checks and calls... I called a dude a donk because i went on some serious tilt after losing 6 1$ tourneys in a row to slow players or suck outs in like few hours. Funny how all of you pretend to be such understanding to slow playing ,but at the same time when you lose to people making bad calls you get pissed of as well... and why would i want to quit? is that how you feel when you get a bad day playing poker? a lot of smart comments here i see..

philthy said:

You called someone a donk because they slow played a strong hand and beat you? Thats pretty lame, IMO. I guess everyone that doesnt play 'by-the-book' and/or how you see fit is a donk, right?

You should probably stop playing poker because you probably will never find a table that'll please you if you complain about something as minor as this.

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ohh so now playing by the book is incorrect? I guess Harrington was wrong(whats the point of buying and reading those books...whats the point of reading any articles and debating here online what is the correct play?)... I understand slow playing As or pocket Ks to trap opponents from time to time as even harrington says about 10% of a time, but THESE GUYS DO IT almost 100% of a time and that is not a correct play... unless you think that there isnt any CORRECT PLAY IN POKER... which is not true as we all know the game of poker is not 100% luck but there is a mathematical concept behind it to a +EV. SO you tell me if playing As Ks AKs AKo is a +EV play or not.... smart ones...

TheseNutsWin said:

you guys dont understand a thing.... The point of my post was that in the 1$ tourneys almost nobody raises, everyone just checks and calls...
...ok. I can agree with this. You just have to play your big hands more aggressively. Sometimes you'll run into a player who limps in with AA or KK, you raise, and they come over the top. What can you do? Calling them a donk isnt going to help is it? Did that improve your game any? Poker is about deception and forcing your opponents into making (costly) mistakes and it looks like it worked for the villian.
I called a dude a donk because i went on some serious tilt after losing 6 1$ tourneys in a row to slow players or suck outs in like few hours.
...Ok, so are you calling him a donk because of their play or because you've been losing? Lets clear that up.
Funny how all of you pretend to be such understanding to slow playing (let me clear that incorrect slow playing most of the time ) but at the same time when you lose to people making bad calls you get pissed of as well.
...Well, there is nothing to sympathize with. You were out played in the first hand example. You were out played and you called him a donk because of it and thats nothing but being an arse in my book. Show me where it says you have to raise all the time with big hands and slow playing is incorrect poker. Someone making a bad call (with a bad hand) and winning with a suck out is completely different than someone being deceptive with KK and getting you to commit all your chips PF with a mediocre hand.
.. and why would i want to quit? is that how you feel when you get a bad day playing poker? a lot of smart comments here i see..

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Above. BTW, not being a dick or anything, but your avatar guy looks like he has his arse in the front end. LOL.

TheseNutsWin said:

ohh so now playing by the book is incorrect? I guess Harrington was wrong(whats the point of buying and reading those books...whats the point of reading any articles and debating here online what is the correct play?)
...I never said playing by the book is incorrect. Im just implying that not everyone is going to play how you like. So, adapt.

... I understand slow playing As or pocket Ks to trap opponents from time to time as even harrington says about 10% of a time, but THESE GUYS DO IT almost 100% of a time and that is not a correct play... unless you think that there isnt any CORRECT PLAY IN POKER... which is not true as we all know the game of poker is not 100% luck but there is a mathematical concept behind it to a +EV. SO you tell me if playing As Ks AKs AKo is a +EV play or not.... smart ones...
...I can tell you 2 things:

1. Its situational. There are times where slowplaying KK or AA preflop is more profitable and there are other times where raising is the better choice. It all depends.

2. If this is how your opponents are playing, then learn from it. Adapt and take notes. Improve your game and strategy in order to beat theirs. Not everyone is going to play how you like or how you think is correct/incorrect. So, dont change their game, but adjust yours.
Tell me, what have you learned from the first hand you posted (KK hand) that you can benefit you next time you sit at a table with the villian? Other than 'He's a DONK!' of course.

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If they do it all the time, why call with 99 when you know you must be beat?

If you are fed up of the play at $1, deposit some more dosh and move up, the players are better but believe it or not I found it easier to win than at $1, that was a bit of a grind down there.

Originally Posted by TheseNutsWin
you guys dont understand a thing.... The point of my post was that in the 1$ tourneys almost nobody raises, everyone just checks and calls...
...ok. I can agree with this. You just have to play your big hands more aggressively. Sometimes you'll run into a player who limps in with AA or KK, you raise, and they come over the top. What can you do? Calling them a donk isnt going to help is it? Did that improve your game any? Poker is about deception and forcing your opponents into making (costly) mistakes and it looks like it worked for the villian.
I called a dude a donk because i went on some serious tilt after losing 6 1$ tourneys in a row to slow players or suck outs in like few hours.
...Ok, so are you calling him a donk because of their play or because you've been losing? Lets clear that up.
Funny how all of you pretend to be such understanding to slow playing (let me clear that incorrect slow playing most of the time ) but at the same time when you lose to people making bad calls you get pissed of as well.
...Well, there is nothing to sympathize with. You were out played in the first hand example. You were out played and you called him a donk because of it and thats nothing but being an arse in my book. Show me where it says you have to raise all the time with big hands and slow playing is incorrect poker. Someone making a bad call (with a bad hand) and winning with a suck out is completely different than someone being deceptive with KK and getting you to commit all your chips PF with a mediocre hand.
.. and why would i want to quit? is that how you feel when you get a bad day playing poker? a lot of smart comments here i see..

Did i say that slow playing is incorrect ALL the time or i said most of the time.. If you go back to Harrington he even explains that slow playing As or Ks is not a good choice unless a situation arrises where you want to do that..

Melkor said:

If they do it all the time, why call with 99 when you know you must be beat?

If you are fed up of the play at $1, deposit some more dosh and move up, the players are better but believe it or not I found it easier to win than at $1, that was a bit of a grind down there.

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i did started playing $3 tourneys now and i`m doing better.. my first tourney i finished 60th out of over 2000 players and the second i played yesterday i finished 210th being sucked out by a flush Q5 and i had pocket As...