.05/.10 PLO Did I play these hands poorly or was I unlucky

I'm gonna have to post the entire hand, as I just want thoughts on the actual hand (down to the rivers), so I wanted to know if you think (I) played the hands poorly and if so (where did I go wrong with it)?



#1


pokerstars Zoom Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com



Button ($9.65)
SB ($23.54)
Hero (BB) ($7.03)
UTG ($37.46)
MP ($33.63)
CO ($12.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 , K , Q , 10
3 folds, Button raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) 3 , 10 , 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.12, Button calls $1.62

Turn: ($4.89) J (2 players)
Hero bets $4.61 (All-In), Button calls $4.61

River: ($14.11) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $14.11 | Rake: $0.60

Results below:
#2

PokerStars Zoom Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php



Hero (Button) ($17.10)
SB ($20.02)
BB ($13.97)
UTG ($3.69)
MP ($27.35)
CO ($10.44)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5 , 8 , 6 , 7
UTG raises to $0.20, MP raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.40, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($2.55) 7 , 5 , 9 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.55) 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.55) 10 (2 players)
CO bets $6.27, Hero calls $6.27

Total pot: $19.09 | Rake: $0.81

Results below:

first hand is just omaha being omaha


second hand bet turn imo

but as played it is possibly a fold to the river shove

yeah as red says pretty much, a nice turn bet in that second hand should have pushed them away (unless they could have already had you creamed with 77 (ll as you hold a 7) or 99) but the c/c gives them room to hit any number of cards for a bigger house.

Key rule in Omaha, chances are if you don't have the nuts then someone else does.

BluffMeAllIn said:

yeah as red says pretty much, a nice turn bet in that second hand should have pushed them away (unless they could have already had you creamed with 77 (ll as you hold a 7) or 99) but the c/c gives them room to hit any number of cards for a bigger house.

Key rule in Omaha, chances are if you don't have the nuts then someone else does.

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True enough, that 2nd hand (I guess a bet in hindsight is warranted), I honestly figured because they didn't bet turn that neither 77/99 was in there hand, nor a 95, so I wanted to atleast let them bluff it out on the river, rather than winning a small pot (that was my reasoning for not betting the turn myself and Checking the turn for them. To my surprise (And that I was) when I seen what they flipped over, I myself would easily have folded to a flop RR without a set/Straight, yet some people like calling off with any pair in PLO without sets (hoping they hit 2 outers to save them)

naruto_miu said:

True enough, that 2nd hand (I guess a bet in hindsight is warranted), I honestly figured because they didn't bet turn that neither 77/99 was in there hand, nor a 95, so I wanted to atleast let them bluff it out on the river, rather than winning a small pot (that was my reasoning for not betting the turn myself and Checking the turn for them. To my surprise (And that I was) when I seen what they flipped over, I myself would easily have folded to a flop RR without a set/Straight, yet some people like calling off with any pair in PLO without sets (hoping they hit 2 outers to save them)

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Yeah generally most omaha players at .05/.010 and lower are pretty horrible at the game, maybe not as much on zoom but still pretty bad overall.

Omaha is pretty sick I know some people who grind it for rakeback but I wouldn't be able to handle the sickness of the game. It's fun for an orbit or two or twenty maybe but that is about it for me lol.

The only thing you did wrong was not bet the turn in the 2nd hand.

I agree with Mensch. First, well played. Bet turn on second.

This was the reason I didn't wish to show the turn action but I wanted input on how to play the hand..

I realize that by betting turn (On the 2nd hand), we potentially win without a problem, yet is it not wise to be able to check turn for the times Villains actually miss the "Miracle" 2outers to win more in the long run?


Put it simply, had I bet turn they fold, and we win a decent pot (which is great), but if (and more than likely it will happen they miss), than they must actually bluff in order to win the pot thus we win more, is that not the objective or do you think that PLO players at this level don't really give 2chits about our holdings and would actually still call us had we bet on the turn?



So again if I bet turn do you think they are so bad they call us drawing slim? Or should I be content on winning a small pot and not a full Double up?

Only thing you did wrong in first hand is not read your opponents bet on river. He was small stack before flop he raised preflop tuning you into the fact he held an ace raised again on flop and turn and shoved on river. When he shoved on river the only thing he could possibly was ace high flush. smalls stakes don't generally shove without holding the nuts.

I'm not good with plo but first off, don't shortstack. 1st hand you weren't drawing to the nuts so keh. Think you need to at least have a nut draw there. But I'm not too sure. 2nd hand.bet bet shove!

On the second one, as soon as the third 5 hit, I would have been looking for a spot to fold.

I'm almost always beat by a bigger boat in that spot.

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Hand 2: Bet the turn. you don't have to pot it but betting $2.50 here will be infinitely better than calling pot on any river.

naruto_miu said:

This was the reason I didn't wish to show the turn action but I wanted input on how to play the hand..

I realize that by betting turn (On the 2nd hand), we potentially win without a problem, yet is it not wise to be able to check turn for the times Villains actually miss the "Miracle" 2outers to win more in the long run?


Put it simply, had I bet turn they fold, and we win a decent pot (which is great), but if (and more than likely it will happen they miss), than they must actually bluff in order to win the pot thus we win more, is that not the objective or do you think that PLO players at this level don't really give 2chits about our holdings and would actually still call us had we bet on the turn?



So again if I bet turn do you think they are so bad they call us drawing slim? Or should I be content on winning a small pot and not a full Double up?

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I'm no expert, but in my opinion you should virtually never slowplay or give a free card to induce a bluff unless you have the super nuts like quads, or maybe the best possible full house on a dry board. Always play your hands fast especially if they are vunerable to being outdrawn. thus I think checking the turn in the second hand is not good.

These things happen to me all the time in omaha, just such a high varience game. I wouldnt say you played the hands bad just didnt work out for you. Where I play att eeven if you bet the turn the idiots still call lol