0% won on the river.... bad or good?

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So I looked at my stats during a tourney for the first time in awhile and I noticed that I had not won a single hand by betting on the river, also that my pre-flop game has gotten weaker the more I play. I mean I know Ive gotten tighter and I'm playing better, but seeing 35% percent of the flops is pretty loose, and only winning 2% is pretty bad, so any advice on tweaking my game?
Statistics for 252 hands
Street Saw Saw/Total
Flop 88 35%
Turn 48 19%
River 40 16%
Showdown 36 14%
Street Won Won/Saw Won/Total
Pre-flop 6 2% 2%
Flop 10 11% 4%
Turn 4 8% 2%
River 0 0% 0%
Showdown 24 67% 10%
 
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You're most likely playing too many hands out of position.
I'll be taking a guess here, but if you're playing hands like suited connectors in EP/MP, that would be a no-no, small/med PP's from EP is another bad play.
 
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You're most likely playing too many hands out of position.
I'll be taking a guess here, but if you're playing hands like suited connectors in EP/MP, that would be a no-no, small/med PP's from EP is another bad play.

Sorry, but without more details this is bad advice. Is this a tourney or cash game? If it's a tournament and you're only like 20-30 BBs deep then shinedown's advice is right on the money. If you're 100 BBs deep in a cash game playing low to mid PPs from EP or SCs from MP is pretty standard.

But mainly from those stats no one can really draw any conclusions on how you play, there just isn't enough relevant information there. Generally winning 0% at the river is not good, but it's only 252 hands too, which is absolutely nothing in terms of sample size.
 
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OP said it was a tourny zach :)

But I agree with too small of a sample size.
250 hands is probably just one tourny you played right ?
So you're going to need something like PokerTracker to analyze your stats after a much larger hand sample..
 
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OP said it was a tourny zach :)

But I agree with too small of a sample size.
250 hands is probably just one tourny you played right ?
So you're going to need something like PokerTracker to analyze your stats after a much larger hand sample..

heh I should start reading entire posts :).

But my point does still stand. In a big tourney with 50-100 BB starting stacks (or more) it's fine but not if you're on a shortish stack (defined by me as 30 BBs or less).
 
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Scary

jeez shinedown, I'd hate to meet you at the table, I do love my suited connectors and am likely to play them in almost in any position, less likely with small pps tho. Good Call. Sorry for the small sample, it's just that I did cash and I felt like I was on my game so figured it best illustrated where I could improve when actually focused.
 
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Those stats indicate you cannot take another player to the river. Meaning if you have a big hand, you can't bet the right ammount. And if you are up against a big hand, you are more likely to lose your stack.
 
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if you want to see all those flops i need to be in position n raising so u than have the option to continuation bet on the flop. if have to play agresively
 
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best way to get your game better, is to start playing the person not so much the cards... learn the people at the table... (not who bluffs and who doesnt.. tahts stupid cause if someone bluffs a lot and they catch against you.. your gone) know the playing styles your up against and have a plan to beat that playing style .... (which changes your game and cards you play and how you play them)
 
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These stats don't mean anything at all for several reasons.

(1) They don't take into account raised pots. If you are in the BB and it gets limped around to you and you have junk, of course you'll see a flop. Not like you'll raise with crap OOP to try and steal.

(2) sample size is too small

(3) If you are at micro stakes where there are lots of weak tight bad players, you'll see a lot of flops IP with all kinds of speculative hands assuming the blinds are small and the odds are in your favor which will inflate your flops seen %

If you can get anything out of those stats at all, I would guess you are playing Tight Passive. Only winning 6 hands PF out of 250 tells me you aren't raising PF very often and are just calling down with the good hands. (hence the 0 won on the river yet 24 won at SD)
 
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"I would guess you are playing Tight Passive"

This is true, but when I play like this I do a lot better than when I get aggressive, I just have to pick my moments better I suppose, I'm just sick of raising pre and getting called with garbage that hits, you are also correct in the assumption that it's micro stakes which is why I don't like to attempt a steal or assume that my raises get any respect at all.

"best way to get your game better, is to start playing the person not so much the cards"

I think I'm getting better at this, I can usually just sort of tell what people have after about an hour at the same table, I think the more you play the more tuned in you get, Ive also started taking a lot more notes than I used to.
 
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