Why should I be the donkey

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Okay, so yesterday I was in a game where blinds were 20/40. Preflop I had q8 of diamonds in small blind. Big blind raises to 60, I call, everyone else folded. Flop came ace of hearts king of diamond nine of diamond. I check, bb raises to 200, I call. Turn comes 7 of diamond I check, bb raises size of pot , I go all in, I had about 5000 chips. Bb calls my all in. He has ak offsuit (2pair), I have the flush. River cards is 8 of hearts. I win the pot. He calls me the donkey. I pushed all in with three diamonds showing which meant I could have a flush, he could've easily folded. So who's the donkey here?
 
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Comment from a donk: Only reason why might be Q8 is not a hand bb (the guy) thinks is good, or the odds of a flush and you calling his bet after the flop is not reasonable (35% chance of hitting flush).

Beats me, probably the first reason... :)

He's just mad he lost the pot, imo. On a second thought, the blinds were small, so the first reason isn't valid...
 
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He made a terrible move. K2 isn't a raising hand unless he wants to steal the pre-flop bets with a strong bluff. There was no money in the pot apart from your 60 (as small blind), so its a pointless exercise.
After a minimum raise by the big blind, the small blind is still entitled to see the flop with virtually any 2 cards. Q 8 suited isn't great, but value wise it made sense. Fortunately you flopped a nice draw and he made it cheap to see a turn to complete your hand. If you'd called an all-in here i'd have called you a donk. He made a raise pre-flop and followed through with agressive play, so a draw would be 50/50 at very best, but he didn't, he didn't represent the strength of it and you capitalised on that!
Your check-call shouldhave set alarm bell ringing, nice play
 
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He made a terrible move. K2 isn't a raising hand unless he wants to steal the pre-flop bets with a strong bluff.
It was AKo not K2.

Answer. I don't know about the Donkey part, but both of you showed your inexperience. I assume he bet 80 not 60 as a min raise would have been 40.If he's going to raise HU he needs to bet 3-4x the minimum, which in this case should have been 120+. His flop bet was rediculous even with the possible FD. Obviously he was afraid of being drawn out on even though he had absolutely no reason to believe you had any kind of a draw. (we know you did though) With top 2 HU, you WANT a call from drawing hands. That's where you make your hay. 100-120 would have been a good amount.

Now to you. What were you thinking shoving that flop? That was pretty bad. You were way behind even bottom pair. Did you think he'd fold? He's the one who showed strength preflop not you. No preflop raise, no credit for a strong hand. Eitherway, this was not the hand to semi bluff on. Considering his preflop raise this is exactly the kind of flop which would have connected with a mojority of the time.

Inexperienced players tend to blow bad beats way out of proportion. His calling you a Donkey was just a case of sour grapes. A better player would have shrugged it off and gone on to the next hand or tournament. Still you didn't outplay him, you got lucky. Winning a hand like that can be a huge setback to any novice player. Because it worked out favorably for you this time you may be inclined to make this play in the future. Don't!
I suggest you find a decent Hold'em outs chart and memorize it. The correct play in this hand was to fold to his rediculous flop bet.

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I didn't go all in on a draw, I went all-in after the turn when I hit my flush. I think he played his ak wrong, because had he raised all in or even 3 to 4 times the bb I would've foded as to not risk my chips on a draw.
 
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It was AKo not K2.

Answer. I don't know about the Donkey part, but both of you showed your inexperience. I assume he bet 80 not 60 as a min raise would have been 40.If he's going to raise HU he needs to bet 3-4x the minimum, which in this case should have been 120+. His flop bet was rediculous even with the possible FD. Obviously he was afraid of being drawn out on even though he had absolutely no reason to believe you had any kind of a draw. (we know you did though) With top 2 HU, you WANT a call from drawing hands. That's where you make your hay. 100-120 would have been a good amount.

Now to you. What were you thinking shoving that flop? That was pretty bad. You were way behind even bottom pair. Did you think he'd fold? He's the one who showed strength preflop not you. No preflop raise, no credit for a strong hand. Eitherway, this was not the hand to semi bluff on. Considering his preflop raise this is exactly the kind of flop which would have connected with a mojority of the time.

Inexperienced players tend to blow bad beats way out of proportion. His calling you a Donkey was just a case of sour grapes. A better player would have shrugged it off and gone on to the next hand or tournament. Still you didn't outplay him, you got lucky. Winning a hand like that can be a huge setback to any novice player. Because it worked out favorably for you this time you may be inclined to make this play in the future. Don't!
I suggest you find a decent Hold'em outs chart and memorize it. The correct play in this hand was to fold to his rediculous flop bet.

GL

What hand are you analyzing? Small blind called a minimum raise with a decent hand and ended up with a flush draw. Big blind had top two pair, but was obviously worried about the flush, so he throws out a medium sized bet. I would have called, it was cheap enough to see the turn, because this hand has big potential for a huge pot. After the flop, small blind checks the flush and gets the big blind to push, even though the third diamond came out. It was hard for the big blind to get away from his top two pair, so he calls the reraise all in. Maybe he thinks he's getting bluffed, maybe he thinks he's beat but can't fold the boat possibility. He should have folded the AK. This hand was just typical poker between two good hands.
 
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Ignore the hand, ignore folks who call you donkey. They usually can not support the comment, and think aggression is all that needed to be a good player.

You should understand that on the flop, you were not getting the right odds to call, unless you understand implied odds, and your stack was huge comparatively. Once the flush filled, anything you do is correct, and any bet he makes, without a flush, is incorrect. However, most of us would have probably slow played the made flush, and allowed him to bet against it. He should have never allowed you to call to see the turn.

Just ignore em.
 
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