Why are all the online pros leaving pokerstars?

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I know there are still a handful of big names still with pokerstars but it seems there has been a mass exit from the site. Is it just because of the changes to the player rewards or is it something else? It seems like they all thanked PS for opportunity but didn't really say why.
 
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On PokerStars as I was very hard to play the RNG just rolls over, if you compare what was a couple of years ago and now it's just a brain.:eek:
 
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No one will tell you what's happening behind the closed doors.. Of course the ex Pokerstars pros will give the most politically correct thank-you-for-the-opportunity departing message possible.

Maybe they had faced a significant pay cut and, considering what policies of Pokerstars they had to represent, they decided it wasn't worth it anymore (plus the opportunity to sign with partypoker may have influenced some of the pros' decisions). I think this and maybe some more requirements/responsibilities, because I don't see what so bad has happened in recent months to PokerStars to result in such exodus of the pros.. The worst changes they had made happened in 2015 and whenever these chests were introduced, and it didn't provoke immediate exodus, some pros even signed up with Pokerstars after these events, so...
 
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I honestly don't have a very detailed opinion about this but I do believe a lot more attention is being paid to this then needs to be. I think they reworked the contracts they had with pros and some didn't like it so some moved on. I think a great example of this is Yeti Coolers. A lot of 2nd amendment rights supporters were all up in arms cause Yeti ended its deal with the NRA. However, it was not Yetis fault. They had offered the NRA a new contract to keep doing business with them and it was the NRA that ultimately did not want to do business with Yeti. I think simply put things change for good or bad and some people like it and some people don't much like most things.
 
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I know there are still a handful of big names still with Pokerstars but it seems there has been a mass exit from the site. Is it just because of the changes to the player rewards or is it something else? It seems like they all thanked PS for opportunity but didn't really say why.


If you want to find out why "big names" are leaving poker stars? You should personally ask them.

Meanwhile, "new names" began to come - here.
Kalidou Sow
 
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On PokerStars as I was very hard to play the RNG just rolls over, if you compare what was a couple of years ago and now it's just a brain.:eek:


I'm not sure I'm understanding what you are saying here???
 
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If you want to find out why "big names" are leaving Poker Stars? You should personally ask them.

Meanwhile, "new names" began to come - here.
Kalidou Sow



I don’t personally know any of them, I was asking a general question because it seems like a lot of the online pros left. I’m not saying anything bad about PS. If I was able to play there I probably would. Weird response to my post.
 
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I know there are still a handful of big names still with Pokerstars but it seems there has been a mass exit from the site. Is it just because of the changes to the player rewards or is it something else? It seems like they all thanked PS for opportunity but didn't really say why.
hi hi
from what i understand some of the pros left and went to PartyPoker cause they upset that PokerStars stopped giving them huge benefits, giving high rollers back much their rake
i play micro stakes so of course the changes no bother me
i have little sympathy for the prima donna millionaire pros
 
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hi hi
from what i understand some of the pros left and went to PartyPoker cause they upset that PokerStars stopped giving them huge benefits, giving high rollers back much their rake
i play micro stakes so of course the changes no bother me
i have little sympathy for the prima donna millionaire pros



I don’t think most of the online pros were millionaires, the were everyday grinders trying to make a living at poker. I do think you’re right about the average player on poker sites changes their reward structure probably isn’t going to matter.
 
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Fishes often are winner's, being hidden by keyboard, it's easier call "all in" when your strongest hand is only "high card" :D, therefore, leaving online poker who has a possibility to play live poker against serious players and with a big money
 
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Whats happening with Stars Pros leaving

I am not exactly sure but can only speculate that Stars re worked their contracts to their disliking and maybe a cut in pay. It also helps the Pros that their is a little more competition now with party poker raising the bar a little.

Some other reasons could be some didn't like where Stars was going not exactly sure.

Another reason could be they were well paid by Poker Stars and could now afford to move on if they decided too.
Nobody will ever really know why its happening. Simply it could just be that Poker Stars wants to re stock on their talent and Ambassadors with some fresh new faces instead of the old with a new look and agenda.
It remains to be seen in the coming year or so where Poker Stars is going with this.

But I say this! Do expect some new signings & Ambassadors for Poker Stars in the coming future. You can guarantee that.
 
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If i were one of those, i would be moved where easier to win, because all in the world knows how to play, so raised lucky players
 
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Probably a blend of:

- Pokerstars lost one of it's biggest markets (USA) after Black Friday

- Changes to management and ownership focusing on increasing profits.

Without one of the major markets available they probably went downhill and cut sponsorships value.
 
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I am not exactly sure but can only speculate that Stars re worked their contracts to their disliking and maybe a cut in pay. It also helps the Pros that their is a little more competition now with Party Poker raising the bar a little.

Some other reasons could be some didn't like where Stars was going not exactly sure.

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I'm thinking exactly like this ^

Fishes often are winner's, being hidden by keyboard, it's easier call "all in" when your strongest hand is only "high card" :D, therefore, leaving online poker who has a possibility to play live poker against serious players and with a big money

If i were one of those, i would be moved where easier to win, because all in the world knows how to play, so raised lucky players


WTF are you on about here?
Where are you getting your information from... because clearly you don't know wtf you're talking about.
Are the 'pros' ... pros... because they're 'lucky players'.
Where is it easier to win? And if so.. then why don't YOU move there?
Why don't you become 'one of those'?

i have little sympathy for the prima donna millionaire pros


So you think the 'online pros' have an inflated sense of their own talent & worth?

Have you followed the history of online poker? Players were promised a 'LOYALTY reward' structure and then had it ripped away from under them... partway through the year initially.

A lot of the company's success has come from 'the dream of becoming a pro' (or of making it big!).. for many many young (& older) folks. This helped to generate a very large following, boosting numbers of players considerably. Just take a look at the total number of players on the site today vs. a few years ago. (do you see any differences?). I'm not saying they are all losing interest but for sure it has had an effect. No longer is the dream possible for many, to be able to work at being able to support themselves via online poker. Not only have games become tougher, but rake is higher & rewards are lower, making some games near unbeatable in the longrun. How could this be 'okay'? :sheep:
 
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To my understanding they were offered much better contracts with Party Poker. Maybe there is more to it but makes financial sense.
 
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So you think the 'online pros' have an inflated sense of their own talent & worth?
Have you followed the history of online poker? Players were promised a 'LOYALTY reward' structure and then had it ripped away from under them... partway through the year initially.
A lot of the company's success has come from 'the dream of becoming a pro' (or of making it big!).. for many many young (& older) folks. This helped to generate a very large following, boosting numbers of players considerably. Just take a look at the total number of players on the site today vs. a few years ago. (do you see any differences?). I'm not saying they are all losing interest but for sure it has had an effect. No longer is the dream possible for many, to be able to work at being able to support themselves via online poker. Not only have games become tougher, but rake is higher & rewards are lower, making some games near unbeatable in the longrun. How could this be 'okay'? :sheep:
that makes zero sense unless you a poker pro...
PokerStars isn't responsible to assure pros, can make a living at playing poker
lol they already get my poker money while defining me as a fish, whale,moron etc while peddling worthless training programs, videos and books, basically ripping off gullible players aspiring to become pros (5% of online poker players make money by playing)

you have a dream to live from just playing poker?
good go for it... don't ask me and site to subsidize you
rest of us enjoy a nice, safe place to play and have a real job and actual contribute something to our society
thank you PokerStars for the chests and rewards you give me - a micros player
 
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that makes zero sense unless you a poker pro...
PokerStars isn't responsible to assure pros, can make a living at playing poker
lol they already get my poker money while defining me as a fish, whale,moron etc while peddling worthless training programs, videos and books, basically ripping off gullible players aspiring to become pros (5% of online poker players make money by playing)

you have a dream to live from just playing poker?
good go for it... don't ask me and site to subsidize you
rest of us enjoy a nice, safe place to play and have a real job and actual contribute something to our society
thank you PokerStars for the chests and rewards you give me - a micros player


From the very first day I began playing online poker my goal was to 'win money' & 'get better at the game'. It seems your's are much different.... 'they already get my poker money'. This is unacceptable for many..... because it isn't (or wasn't) 'they' who is 'getting your money'... it is other players who are willing to watch (& study) some of those 'worthless' videos and books, while they are pocketing the gullible player's deposited money all the while enjoying their hobby.

Personally, I find poker even more enjoyable when I'm winning. Call me gullible :confused:
 
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I don’t personally know any of them, I was asking a general question because it seems like a lot of the online pros left. I’m not saying anything bad about PS. If I was able to play there I probably would. Weird response to my post.


It is weird that you find my answer for weird.

These people can leave Poker Stars for many reasons.. We can only speculate on this topic.

Actually, I have no problem with the "outgoing Poker Stars stars".
 
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i have no idea why they would leave but im sure they will try something new and maybe comeback
 
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Pokerstars doesn't send as much money as before... As simple as that.
 
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What is the difference between
1) 1000player freeroll
2) 1000 player $3.3 buy-in MTT
3) 1000 player $109 buy-in MTT

?

All 3 types of tournaments are technically equal.
- From PokerStars servers point of view ALL 3 TYPES of tournaments will consume X kW of electricity and Y Mb of traffic. In general PC servers will consume $2-$10 if we convert both traffic and energy into money.
SO a freeroll and 100K grtd MTT with $109 buy-in both have the same value for poker sites PC servers.
- From PokerStars owners point of view obviously different buy-ins generate different types of profit.
- From PokerStars players point of view... If you're a so called "Poker Pro" the one who spends his life doing nothing useful... then you can calculate your daily/monthly/yearly investments, if you're playing 10 tourneys per day with average $109 buy-in, then it's $1090 per day and 370K per year. Which means that PokerStars rips you off for 30K+ per year with it's rake program. If you have a rakeback program and you have 30-50% rakeback then probably you will be 30-50% less sad about it. But since instead of 50% rakeback PokerStars is giving you WOW a treasure chest full of BS, then I guess you won't be as happy as you would be with 50% rakeback.
In general online poker pro is rake generating mule, and well mules can decide what's better - to eat the grass or to eat carrots. :)
 
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I'm thinking exactly like this ^






WTF are you on about here?
Where are you getting your information from... because clearly you don't know wtf you're talking about.
Are the 'pros' ... pros... because they're 'lucky players'.
Where is it easier to win? And if so.. then why don't YOU move there?
Why don't you become 'one of those'?




So you think the 'online pros' have an inflated sense of their own talent & worth?

Have you followed the history of online poker? Players were promised a 'LOYALTY reward' structure and then had it ripped away from under them... partway through the year initially.

A lot of the company's success has come from 'the dream of becoming a pro' (or of making it big!).. for many many young (& older) folks. This helped to generate a very large following, boosting numbers of players considerably. Just take a look at the total number of players on the site today vs. a few years ago. (do you see any differences?). I'm not saying they are all losing interest but for sure it has had an effect. No longer is the dream possible for many, to be able to work at being able to support themselves via online poker. Not only have games become tougher, but rake is higher & rewards are lower, making some games near unbeatable in the longrun. How could this be 'okay'? :sheep:
Maybe i can't explain good, because i use translator to post, but you should turn your logic on and i am sure you can understand something
 
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“So you think the online pros have an inflated sense of their value and worth?”

Can’t speak for all online pros. Can’t really speak for any of them, seeing as I don’t know any personally.

But. A quick perusal of YouTube will reveal a boatload of online pros stroking their dick telling one and all how successful they are and you should buy my book, my video, my online school sessions, my used mouse pads, sweaty T-shirt’s from grind sessions, etc, etc, etc.

One name in particular stands out in my mind. Always has. Not gonna risk getting flamed by fanboys if I name him.

So yeah. I do believe some online pros have an extreme over valuing of their talent and worth.
 
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in my opinion, the new contracts that were offered to them were not advantageous. the proffessionals surely judge that they do not deserve to be renewed.
 
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We can only guess why the pros may be leaving PokerStars. And the only way to
actually know why is to hear it from the pros directly. Even then we may not be hearing
the full or real story.
 
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