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I used to play online about 15 years ago and would frequently win low stakes micro tourneys ($5 - 50 man was a favourite) against American players. Coming back to poker after a while I notice 888 and pokerstars have no American players and are filled with super tight, super aggressive Russians, Germans, Brits and Brazilians. I am playing 50c to $3 tourneys and am profitable, but only marginally. So I have two questions:

1. I know there are American sites like Bovada and ignition, but these won't let me sign up (I am a UK citizen). Where on earth I am supposed to go in order to get a tourney against them? It feels like they are in their own protected little fish tank. I thought maybe getting a VPN might work though I expect I would need an American bank account also?

2. Are there any proper players here who could comment on the standard of play on the micro stakes tourneys on either PokerStars or 888? From my experience there appears to be roughly one third fish/drunks who are rapidly outed early on then two thirds who are at the very minimum tight and super aggressive. I have pokertracker and the typical holy trinity stats are like 14-20/10/6 (very roughly). People are very happy to 3-bet, go all-in and call all-ins. hands rarely get to the river as the aggression has been brought forward to an extreme degree. I try and play tight-aggressive, steal often, 3 bet at every opportunity, check-raise post flop, defend blinds as much as possible, and raise borderline trash from Hijack and later. Yet I am often left making GTO Push/Fold decisions beyond half way into a tourney with typically 8 minute blinds. Most of these people appear sober, intelligent and well read. It's obvious a Pro would have an edge here but compared to a decade ago the standard seems exceptionally high for such tiny tiny stakes!

Comments and advice welcome. Are there any good video examples of Pros crushing 888 or PokerStars 50c - $3 MTTs?
 
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. Where on earth I am supposed to go in order to get a tourney against them? It feels like they are in their own protected little fish tank. I thought maybe getting a VPN might work though I expect I would need an American bank account also?
We are at America's Card Room. Please feel free to come take our money. CardsChat sign up link here:) https://www.americascardroom.eu/ads/affiliates/acr-cardschataff/

You don't need an American bank account.
 
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We are at America's Card Room. Please feel free to come take our money. CardsChat sign up link here:) https://www.americascardroom.eu/ads/affiliates/acr-cardschataff/

You don't need an American bank account.


Thanks smallfrie. I signed up to BlackChip on a rumour and I notice now it is effectively the same as ACR. Do you know what system these sites use to denote nationality? I can't see one but have asked customer services for nationality information.

Do I detect a sense of eagerness in your post? Am I to infer from this that the state of American low stakes play has also moved on significantly? Do drunken Americans not play low stakes poker on the weekend anymore?
 
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Thanks smallfrie. I signed up to BlackChip on a rumour and I notice now it is effectively the same as ACR. Do you know what system these sites use to denote nationality? I can't see one but have asked customer services for nationality information.

Do I detect a sense of eagerness in your post? Am I to infer from this that the state of American low stakes play has also moved on significantly? Do drunken Americans not play low stakes poker on the weekend anymore?
You can left click or maybe double click the player at the table and a popup will show you their nationality and city, but there are several other skins on "WPN" other than Black Chip, and America's Card Room and some of those don't show nationality when you click on them, but I believe almost all the American players are playing from the ACR or BCP skins so you should be fine. Also you can have accounts on ACR and BCP or other WPN skins as long as you only have one account open at a time. Poker play has changed a lot over the last several years, but I am sure you will adjust and do just fine. Good luck! :)


Edit: If you have any problems on ACR there is also an Official ACR Thread on CardsChat and ACR Rep answers questions there regularly.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/official-acr-thread-217550/
 
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You can left click or maybe double click the player at the table and a popup will show you their nationality and city, but there are several other skins on "WPN" other than Black Chip, and America's Card Room and some of those don't show nationality when you click on them, but I believe almost all the American players are playing from the ACR or BCP skins so you should be fine. Also you can have accounts on ACR and BCP or other WPN skins as long as you only have one account open at a time. Poker play has changed a lot over the last several years, but I am sure you will adjust and do just fine. Good luck! :)


Edit: If you have any problems on ACR there is also an Official ACR Thread on CardsChat and ACR Rep answers questions there regularly.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/official-acr-thread-217550/

Thanks mate. I will have a look and play a few games on the weekend late UK time, hopefully catch a few fish then :)

Sadly, I'm not so sure I will be able to adapt if all the fish have gone. I was only ever slightly better than a nit which was good enough in the old days. Now the basic standard seems to be what I call "Psycho-Nit". I find when I am on a table with these guys, typically Russians, there is almost no scope for play through the hand. It is simply a preflop nuclear game of raise, reraise, all-in. Fold equity and fear equity don't apply to these guys. I see people trying the Gus Hanson thing and they mostly get crushed by one of the many PsychoNits. I find it very hard to play against with blinds rising every 8 minutes.

As I say, I'm not a good player so I play low stakes. I just find now that I can't find stakes small enough for my standard!

Thanks for your advice.
 
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Do I detect a sense of eagerness in your post? Am I to infer from this that the state of American low stakes play has also moved on significantly? Do drunken Americans not play low stakes poker on the weekend anymore?
I am only playing random tournaments on ACR so you are not going to see me at any cash tables but from the tournament play on weekends I am sure you are going to find plenty of drunks and horrible players there.
 
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As I say, I'm not a good player so I play low stakes. I just find now that I can't find stakes small enough for my standard!

Thanks for your advice.
I saw the owner of ACR on twitch and there is a new software update coming and as part of that update they are going to be offering... I think he called it nano stakes which will be the lowest stakes online anywhere.
 
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"I used to play online about 15 years ago and would frequently win low stakes micro tourneys ($5 - 50 man was a favourite) against American players. Coming back to poker after a while I notice 888 and PokerStars have no American players and are filled with super tight, super aggressive Russians, Germans, Brits and Brazilians. I am playing 50c to $3 tourneys and am profitable, but only marginally. So I have two questions:
1. I know there are American sites like Bovada and Ignition, but these won't let me sign up (I am a UK citizen). Where on earth I am supposed to go in order to get a tourney against them? It feels like they are in their own protected little fish tank. I thought maybe getting a VPN might work though I expect I would need an American bank account also?

2. Are there any proper players here who could comment on the standard of play on the micro stakes tourneys on either PokerStars or 888? From my experience there appears to be roughly one third fish/drunks who are rapidly outed early on then two thirds who are at the very minimum tight and super aggressive. I have pokertracker and the typical holy trinity stats are like 14-20/10/6 (very roughly). People are very happy to 3-bet, go all-in and call all-ins. Hands rarely get to the river as the aggression has been brought forward to an extreme degree. I try and play tight-aggressive, steal often, 3 bet at every opportunity, check-raise post flop, defend blinds as much as possible, and raise borderline trash from Hijack and later. Yet I am often left making GTO Push/Fold decisions beyond half way into a tourney with typically 8 minute blinds. Most of these people appear sober, intelligent and well read. It's obvious a Pro would have an edge here but compared to a decade ago the standard seems exceptionally high for such tiny tiny stakes!

Comments and advice welcome. Are there any good video examples of Pros crushing 888 or PokerStars 50c - $3 MTTs?"
you can play at americas card room. its all us players
 
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Merged the 2 threads - duplicate threads are not permitted in the forum. Also - threads about poker sites go in the Poker Rooms forum. :)
 
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you can play at pokerstars, dont know in 888
 
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I used to play online about 15 years ago and would frequently win low stakes micro tourneys ($5 - 50 man was a favourite) against American players.


From my experience there appears to be roughly one third fish/drunks who are rapidly outed early on then two thirds who are at the very minimum tight and super aggressive. I have pokertracker and the typical holy trinity stats are like 14-20/10/6 (very roughly). People are very happy to 3-bet, go all-in and call all-ins. Hands rarely get to the river as the aggression has been brought forward to an extreme degree. I try and play tight-aggressive, steal often, 3 bet at every opportunity, check-raise post flop, defend blinds as much as possible, and raise borderline trash from Hijack and later. Yet I am often left making GTO Push/Fold decisions beyond half way into a tourney with typically 8 minute blinds. Most of these people appear sober, intelligent and well read. It's obvious a Pro would have an edge here but compared to a decade ago the standard seems exceptionally high for such tiny tiny stakes!


The 45-man Sng's pre Black-Friday on FTP.... I loved those games.... sigh ....

The weekends are still pretty good these days.... but compared to pre 2010'ish' days... yah, it's way different. It's not often now you get someone calling down 3 streets with TPnK

I switched to playing mostly cash tables. I prefer to play poker with 100+bb stacks. Sometimes on the weekend I'll enter a handful of micro/low buyin MTT's and give it a shot. ... it's always fun when you're making a deep run
 
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