I'm sorry, Allsopp but im right there along with Osmann...
Fish are what bring in the majority of profits IMO
As for calling machines being 'never good' ??
I'm sorry but their great for paying hands off...when you see them call down TPTK, you can safely bet your 2 pair or set or whatever into them and know they'll call you down. Obviously this is not a player to bluff.
It sounds to me like the point you're trying to get across is that you can't play good poker with fish, but only with experienced players. When you play fish, you have to bring your ABC game, and play a tight aggressive style to take advantage of their looseness. With complex players, you have more tools to work with, so you can open up your hand selection, and bring out the ol' bag of tricks.
you cant really beat fish at a game they aren't playing. they dont think the same as you and therefore you cant read them. the premium card rule may squash them in the short term. but in the long term their rag pocket pair hitting a set is going to assassinate your AK after a big pre flop raise everytime.
Thats the thing...you don't play your complicated, tricky game - that won't work with donks. You stick to AK AA KK etc and you WILL profit. Sure you get bad beats...but "in the long term their rag pocket pair hitting a set is going to assassinate your AK after a big pre flop raise everytime."???
This is ridiculous...first off they obviously won't hit their set every time, and second when they do hit, if you can't read a fish hitting a set (probably the easiest tell out there) then i'm sorry, but you have very poor reading skills. Don't give implied odds
to fish with TPTK.
Your short-term/long-term deal is completely backwards...its THEM who get caught in the long term because they do call raises with small PPs hoping to hit sets, when in reality it doesn't happen often enough to give them a long term
profit. They win the short term BS pots, and we, the real players, win in the long term.