What if online poker was regulated in your locale?

quick · Oct 26, 2017

If your country or State decides to legalize and regulate online poker sites where you live would you jump on board and abandon your current favorite off shore site for it ?

Even though my current favorite sites are decent I think if I can play on regulated sites I would remove most of my funds off he offshore sites and play on the regulated sites.

I imagine the average rec player would go to the regulated site anyways so could it be a boom again for online poker?

Rational Madman · Oct 26, 2017

EDIT:Wait what??? UK it is legal.

LOL I READ THE TITLE BACKWARDS I AM SORRY... I will still post what I posted for if you were asking about outlawing gambling:

This just won't happen in UK, like seriously it just won't...

This isn't a cheat-answer I'm sorry to tell you that my country is that brilliant.

UK would never force taxation on the withdrawals and deposits because it accepts the money from the licensing as enough, we are NOT THAT GREEDY SORRY TO AMERICANS AND AUSTRALIANS BUT YOU CANNOT DENY YOU ARE MORE GREEDY VERSION OF UK IN PRESENT DAY...

Thank you I am sorry for other nations this occured to the corrupt people in charge... I am sorry for you but the answer for UK is literally this will never ever happen.

The concept of house-wins gambling came from horse racing. Horse racing originates where? UK. The entire profession of bookkeeping, it is a British concept... That term 'Bookie' it is British slang.

To the UK to outlaw gambling is like for india to outlaw curry.

Sorry but it's plain impossible of a hypothetical. Proud to say I live in UK!

ccres · Oct 26, 2017

I would probably leave my existing roll on one site and move everything else. One of the benefits of a regulated 'legal' site would presumably be the ability to advertise in more mainstream ways which hopefully would bring in some new people.

The downside would be probably a small playerpool....especially if at the start the player pools of all the states weren't combined.

deyvsonflp · Oct 28, 2017

In brazil, poker is legalized, considered as a sport, and the poker community is looking for legalization and creation of a national register of companies in the sector, a specific economic activity for poker clubs and a union for dealers and workers in the segment.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

I lost money (not a huge amount) in the Lock Poker scandal, and waited months for a withdrawal from Merge Poker when they stopped paying out for a while.

Connectivity issues are not unusual at the sites I play now, ACR and ignition. I'd jump to fully legal, regulated poker in a heartbeat.

Iryna Stryzheuskaya · Oct 28, 2017

Players will still play.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
UK would never force taxation on the withdrawals and deposits because it accepts the money from the licensing as enough, we are NOT THAT GREEDY SORRY TO AMERICANS AND AUSTRALIANS BUT YOU CANNOT DENY YOU ARE MORE GREEDY VERSION OF UK IN PRESENT DAY...

Thank you I am sorry for other nations this occured to the corrupt people in charge... I am sorry for you but the answer for UK is literally this will never ever happen.

The concept of house-wins gambling came from horse racing. Horse racing originates where? UK. The entire profession of bookkeeping, it is a British concept... That term 'Bookie' it is British slang.

Here I come with the broom and shovel again.

There are no taxes on deposits to poker sites in the US. Why do you keep saying there are?

It's true that winnings are counted as income for US Income Taxes, though many players do not declare them.
The decision to tax gambling winnings does not equal greed or corruption. Every nation has taxes, and taxing gambling winnings is no more inherently greedy or corrupt than taxing something else.

I know that in the uk gambling winnings are tax-free. This is nice for poker players, though odd.
A social worker has to pay taxes on the money they earn while doing something productive for society, but doesn't have to pay taxes if they hit a jackpot?
I don't mean to single out the UK for criticism, there are many iniquities in the US tax code.

If taxes = greed (they do not), then the UK is greedier than the US. The tax burden in the UK is considerably higher than than it is in the US.
https://taxfoundation.org/2015-international-tax-competitiveness-index/
I'm not saying that higher taxes are necessarily bad. I wouldn't mind higher taxes in the US if they were put to good use.

The concept of house-wins gambling did not come from the UK, nor did it come from horse racing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridotto

Greed has a lot to do with why online poker is not as good as it should be in the USA, but the truth is not something you can invent in your head.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

AlexTheOwl said:
Here I come with the broom and shovel again.

There are no taxes on deposits to poker sites in the US. Why do you keep saying there are?

It's true that winnings are counted as income for US Income Taxes, though many players do not declare them.
The decision to tax gambling winnings does not equal greed or corruption. Every nation has taxes, and taxing gambling winnings is no more inherently greedy or corrupt than taxing something else.

I know that in the UK gambling winnings are tax-free. This is nice for poker players, though odd.
A social worker has to pay taxes on the money they earn while doing something productive for society, but doesn't have to pay taxes if they hit a jackpot?
I don't mean to single out the UK for criticism, there are many iniquities in the US tax code.

If taxes = greed (they do not), then the UK is greedier than the US. The tax burden in the UK is considerably higher than than it is in the US.
https://taxfoundation.org/2015-international-tax-competitiveness-index/
I'm not saying that higher taxes are necessarily bad. I wouldn't mind higher taxes in the US if they were put to good use.

The concept of house-wins gambling did not come from the UK, nor did it come from horse racing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridotto

Greed has a lot to do with why online poker is not as good as it should be in the USA, but the truth is not something you can invent in your head.

Under the reign of Queen Anne during the period 1702-1714 horse races involving several horses on which spectators placed bets took over from match racing and horse racing became a professional sport with racecourses founded throughout England, including Ascot which was founded by Queen Anne in 1711.
Read more at http://www.equine-world.co.uk/horse_sports/horse_racing_history.asp#FFgKy3G9hYcoiJsW.99

Until this concept, gambling was always player vs player or kind of 'hi there i'll deal vs you but I don't work for a corporation or group' horse racing revolutionised the idea of being a gambling BUSINESS as it turned gambling into a thing where many can engage one main source and yet the source makes the most profit via goading people into bad odd bets due to higher payouts.

This concept revolutionised the whole world and the Italian mafia and all casinos involved with the Italian gambling revolution was inspired purely by the success of horse racing bookie gangs in oldschool Britain.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

AlexTheOwl said:
Here I come with the broom and shovel again.

There are no taxes on deposits to poker sites in the US. Why do you keep saying there are?

It's true that winnings are counted as income for US Income Taxes, though many players do not declare them.
The decision to tax gambling winnings does not equal greed or corruption. Every nation has taxes, and taxing gambling winnings is no more inherently greedy or corrupt than taxing something else.

I know that in the UK gambling winnings are tax-free. This is nice for poker players, though odd.
A social worker has to pay taxes on the money they earn while doing something productive for society, but doesn't have to pay taxes if they hit a jackpot?
I don't mean to single out the UK for criticism, there are many iniquities in the US tax code.

If taxes = greed (they do not), then the UK is greedier than the US. The tax burden in the UK is considerably higher than than it is in the US.
https://taxfoundation.org/2015-international-tax-competitiveness-index/
I'm not saying that higher taxes are necessarily bad. I wouldn't mind higher taxes in the US if they were put to good use.

The concept of house-wins gambling did not come from the UK, nor did it come from horse racing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridotto

Greed has a lot to do with why online poker is not as good as it should be in the USA, but the truth is not something you can invent in your head.

I promise you horse racing and the idea of betting it is more ancient than Italian card game casinos I don't give sh** what your wiki page says that it is older it is not.

edc1 · Oct 28, 2017

looks like pa is going to legalize online poker,just waiting on governor to sign it into law,and yes I would sign right up to 888 poker and others that allow legal play

kidkvno1 · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
EDIT:Wait what??? UK it is legal.

LOL I READ THE TITLE BACKWARDS I AM SORRY... I will still post what I posted for if you were asking about outlawing gambling:

This just won't happen in UK, like seriously it just won't...

This isn't a cheat-answer I'm sorry to tell you that my country is that brilliant.

UK would never force taxation on the withdrawals and deposits because it accepts the money from the licensing as enough, we are NOT THAT GREEDY SORRY TO AMERICANS AND AUSTRALIANS BUT YOU CANNOT DENY YOU ARE MORE GREEDY VERSION OF UK IN PRESENT DAY...

Thank you I am sorry for other nations this occured to the corrupt people in charge... I am sorry for you but the answer for UK is literally this will never ever happen.

The concept of house-wins gambling came from horse racing. Horse racing originates where? UK. The entire profession of bookkeeping, it is a British concept... That term 'Bookie' it is British slang.

To the UK to outlaw gambling is like for India to outlaw curry.

Sorry but it's plain impossible of a hypothetical. Proud to say I live in UK!

Poker Winnings in AU are not taxed...

edc1 said:
looks like pa is going to legalize online poker,just waiting on governor to sign it into law,and yes I would sign right up to 888 poker and others that allow legal play

Even if Tom does not sign it, it will become law in 10 days.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

kidkvno1 said:
Poker Winnings in AU are not taxed...

Even if Tom does not sign it, it will become law in 10 days.

Why do you think AU outlawed any poker site who makes a deal with their banks for 0-taxed easy conversion transfers?

Don't let the media fool you they aren't protecting gamblers they are forcing you to fund the govt. with your gambling. Can you even use a single gambling software at all now I'm curious.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
I promise you horse racing and the idea of betting it is more ancient than Italian card game casinos I don't give sh** what your wiki page says that it is older it is not.

Right. The facts inside your brain are more real than the ones the rest of us share. Indisputable.

But actually I agree with the idea that betting on horses racing each other is probably very old. Never claimed otherwise. Chariot racing was very popular in ancient Greece. Humans being humans, I'd be shocked if no one bet on it.

You claimed that the idea of "house-wins" gambling came from horse racing. The Ridotto existed before horse-racing tracks where the house takes a piece of the wagering, I think.

But if you've arbitrarily decided otherwise, please let us know. The world will take your opinion very, very seriously.

You also claimed that horse racing originated in the UK. I didn't call you out on that one, because certainly the modern set-up of tracks that accept bets does originate in the UK. But I'm glad we both now agree that horse racing is much older than that.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

AlexTheOwl said:
Right. The facts inside your brain are more real than the ones the rest of us share. Indisputable.

But actually I agree with the idea that betting on horses racing each other is probably very old. Never claimed otherwise. Chariot racing was very popular in ancient Greece. Humans being humans, I'd be shocked if no one bet on it.

You claimed that the idea of "house-wins" gambling came from horse racing. The Ridotto existed before horse-racing tracks where the house takes a piece of the wagering, I think.

But if you've arbitrarily decided otherwise, please let us know. The world will take your opinion very, very seriously.

You also claimed that horse racing originated in the UK. I didn't call you out on that one, because certainly the modern set-up of tracks that accept bets does originate in the UK. But I'm glad we both now agree that horse racing is much older than that.

You just talk and talk. Are you Italian-American with mob connections? I will tell you straight to your Mafia Capo father's face without flinching that he owes his culture to the UK Bookie gangs. The Mafia was totally and utterly inspired by Britain's bookie gangs. You don't know this because the godfathers never said it out loud.

Sometimes you need to read what "can't be read" in history to know things. I fully respect the original Sicilian mafia. the police were completely corrupt and they became the real guardians of their people. I am totally against Mafia-like rule and believe that instead of beating a paedophile senseless you should help them flirt with people their own age and also help them vent their urges and maybe just get them dating younger looking people rather than genuinely young ones. Everything about Mafia punishment wasn't fair and never ever helped reform the punished. I don't support them at all, what I am admitting is that at the time the Sicilian Mafia formed, the police of Italy was so completely corrupt that it was the lesser of 2 evils as it genuinely did punish. UK had a very proficient police force even back then so Bookie gangs didn't dole out 'law' they did like to think they were the equivalent of the mafia in a social sense though.

JohnnyC4ge · Oct 28, 2017

In france it was legalized (ok so far), and(but..) regulate, then you have no more French pro in France nowadays xD A lot of us prefered then it was barely legal

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

JohnnyC4ge said:
In France it was legalized (ok so far), and(but..) regulate, then you have no more French pro in France nowadays xD A lot of us prefered then it was barely legal

France's law made me laugh out loud very much when I found out about it.

It is basically like what the US states did except with USA, Nevada and Delaware HAD TO only play with each other, it was the only way to escape Washington state's chokehold with legal backfooting but with France, for no reason at all, it decides "French players should only play with other players in France" LOL

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
You just talk and talk. Are you Italian-American with mob connections? I will tell you straight to your Mafia Capo father's face without flinching that he owes his culture to the UK Bookie gangs.

I talk and talk because you talk and talk, and it's all excrement. I feel the need to bring facts to the topic, in case anyone believes you.

Sorry Internet Tough Guy. Both parents born in Glasgow. Paternal Grandparents born in Lithuania.

Rational Madman said:
Sometimes you need to read what "can't be read" in history to know things.

Exactly! The facts in your head are more real than the ones the rest of us share.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

AlexTheOwl said:
I talk and talk because you talk and talk, and it's all excrement. I feel the need to bring facts to the topic, in case anyone believes you.

Sorry Internet Tough Guy. Both parents born in Glasgow. Paternal Grandparents born in Lithuania.

Exactly! The facts in your head are more real than the ones the rest of us share.

You don't understand what is called cross-culture evolution.

So much food in Britain is mimicked from USA, India, Italy and I totally admit that. Us Brits are extremely humble when it comes to admitting that we've been very international in our evolution of culture but when it comes to gang culture, Brits came first not the Italians.

I know the godfathers existed in 1860's and that British gangs only got notorious around 1910's but you need to observe when the Mafia totally changed its tact from 'we are rich guardians of the people' to 'pay or we kill your son'. This latter form of Mafia was from the raw aggression that Brit bookie gangs had when you didn't pay up. Am I proud of that f*** no. Am I going to pretend Britain doesn't owe so much of its culture to others? No.

I know what is evolving culture and I know what is raw culture. Gambling in the house-wins sense was a raw cultural invention of Brits, Italians were certainly the first to catch on, you are absolutely correct about that. It's like saying that because you got silver medal, the gold isn't still gold. ireland and Russia picked up Gambling and their own versions of Bookie gangs (or Mafia for the Russians) and then the Serbs and Slavic nations took that from the Russians etc etc

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
France's law made me laugh out loud very much when I found out about it.

It is basically like what the US states did except with USA, Nevada and Delaware HAD TO only play with each other, it was the only way to escape Washington state's chokehold with legal backfooting but with France, for no reason at all, it decides "French players should only play with other players in France" LOL

Washington state? What do Seattle, Olympia, and Pullman have to do with this?

I don't think there is any federal prohibition against playing rest of world players in the states where online poker is fully legal.
I'm not certain of that though.
What I am certain of is that you are making things up.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

AlexTheOwl said:
Washington state? What do Seattle, Olympia, and Pullman have to do with this?

I don't think there is any federal prohibition against playing rest of world players in the states where online poker is fully legal.
I'm not certain of that though.
What I am certain of is that you are making things up.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/22133-new-jersey-inks-online-poker-deal-with-nevada-delaware

You can't vs us.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
Gambling in the house-wins sense was a raw cultural invention of Brits.

You have no source for this. You are simply making it up. Surrounding it with some drivel about cross-cultural evolution doesn't change this.

BTW, "Cross-cultural influence" is a commonly used term. "Cultural Evolution" is a anthropological concept. "Cross-cultural evolution" is you making things up.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/22133-new-jersey-inks-online-poker-deal-with-nevada-delaware

You can't vs us.

Yes, everyone agrees that the player pool right now is only within these three states. You claimed that "Washington state" was somehow the reason for this.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

AlexTheOwl said:
You have no source for this. You are simply making it up. Surrounding it with some drivel about cross-cultural evolution doesn't change this.

BTW, "Cross-cultural influence" is a commonly used term. "Cultural Evolution" is a anthropological concept. "Cross-cultural evolution" is you making things up.

Alright, you know it all buddy.

Put me in a room with a real Italian who has studied his/her history thoroughly and they'll see that the Mafia became more ruffian and MUCH MORE 'might is right' rather than 'rich is right' a few years after word spread about the Birmingham Boys, which were the world's first mafia-type organisation but by no means the largest or one to admire most. They were morally corrupt bullies do not for a second think I like them.

Rational Madman · Oct 28, 2017

AlexTheOwl said:
Yes, everyone agrees that the player pool right now is only within these three states. You claimed that "Washington state" was somehow the reason for this.

I will talk no further on the matter as I fear for my safety if I explain who really runs the world in more manner than I already have.

I believe I will be allowed to say this.

NY and Washington. Any decision in USA, every single one including president assassinations and failed assassinations all benefited these 2 states/regions/whatever. Money is power and so is the press. NY brings the economic prowess, Washington the influence and together they hold 48 states at their mercy by pitting them against one another over and over but never once have NY or Washington faced any obvious rivalry or apparent obstacles this isn't because they never fight others it's because they always win.

I will not name any names or reveal a single shred of proof further. This will be me exposing that which shall never allow anyone to expose it. Respect the bad guys and you will become a better good guy.

AlexTheOwl · Oct 28, 2017

Rational Madman said:
Alright, you know it all buddy.

Put me in a room with a real Italian who has studied his/her history thoroughly and they'll see that the Mafia became more ruffian and MUCH MORE 'might is right' rather than 'rich is right' a few years after word spread about the Birmingham Boys, which were the world's first mafia-type organisation but by no means the largest or one to admire most. They were morally corrupt bullies do not for a second think I like them.

I'm not disputing your mafia theories. I know it all, but I don't know that. Maybe you are right?

I am disputing your unfounded assertion that "house-wins" gambling began in the UK.

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