Can US players play on Poker Stars Anyway?

Look guys i haven't actually asked for this neither was looking for this.Actually i was talking to my friend about IP addresses and he mentioned that it could be changed,even a location...So i don't want to make a fun of US players or somethong like that,on the contrary i thought it could be a nice topic to talk about...


When i saw this,i was stoned,so i would like if there's someone who knows something more about this to explain me

Actually my question is,is that possible?

Yes it can be done through a VPN, but I would suggest not doing it, as pokerstars has been cutting down on the use of these for their protection since they stoped allowing USA traffic.

I know 2 people who's accounts were closed for good and funds seized for doing this.

Make sure it profitable firstly to do so, do not do it if your stars SN is known on forums, as since you posited this you never know whom could be ratting you out or just trying to ruin your day by telling on you. Also if you were to do it, you would need a friend who's none USA to xfer and cash out for you right?

These reasons and many many many others I suggest to not do so. Breaking terms of the site isn't ever a good idea when you have $$$dollars on the line.

Well it's pretty much what i expected to hear.As you already mentioned that you know 2 people who's accounts were closed for doing that seems pretty logical to me,you know that someone try to do that,cause as we all know there's a bunch of people out there willing to do anything just to play on Stars again.I don't have that kind of problem tho,i'm non USA player so i play on Stars but i still think that's a good thing that we mentioned that kind of an idea so people can choose NOT to do that ever since you gave pretty nice and concisely explanation.Thank you on that

and if you win... try getting at your moola with a US address.

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It is best to play in the U.S poker sites if you are a good player you can win just as good on carbon or bovada. The pots are not as big but you do not have 10,000+ players in the game either. There is alot of great poker sites that cater to the U.S. and you don't have to play for 15+ hours to win. Stick to the rules of the new change because hell it works better anyways.

THAT.S MY STORY I AM STICKING TO IT

If sites with a seriously vested interest in honesty can tell what side programs are running on your PC, and Stars can, then figuring out you are trying to disguise your true IP address will be child's play for them. It would be easier to move out of the US.......

Not worth moving either, unless your SNE, there isn;t enough donkey nosebleed games to make that move Plus ev IMO. Unless you like go for SNE and mass table NL100 and up then sure move to play on stars.

I do wish I could use VPN and be confident, Or maybe had a friend i canada or something. I do know sum 1 who does this and gets money sent to a friend in canada. I wouldnt risk it though

Technically it is quite simple.
It is actually called a proxy server
which makes it look as if you are in the location or country that the proxy server in fact is in.

Of course it is also very easy to detect that someone is using a proxy.

It really isn't worth doing for a game of poker.

I always had an idea of having a room here in canada with multiple laptops set up with teamviewer installed and charge people an hr rate so they can play from usa. I can turn on the laptop for them each day and they can log in via teamviewer and control it from their end. never had to balls to do it though haha

dj rambles again......

A more plausible idea might be for existing casino's here in the states to offer Internet Poker rooms, where they and they alone collect and dispense the cash, and connect to off shore sites like Stars. They could allow onsite or offsite playing, but the cash flow would have to be live and be handled at the casino. And in that process, new accounts would have to be set up via these existing casino's. These simple, easy conditions would placate the underage issues, and help control problem gamblers (addicts). Along with positive ID control.

Everything I know about the laws (not enough to be 100%) suggests this could happen now, without any changes to any laws.

These casino's could some how share the rake with any off shore site and profit greatly.

As for the State, If they tax it, it will be pretty much a wash as winnings are off set by losses, so they would probably need to tax it up front so that the State could pretend to be in control with some sort of overseeing agency. They could even just plainly tax it at current local sales tax rates. After all you pay taxes on electronics before you use them, and never get taxed on how much enjoyment you get from using them.

Under the Clinton presidency, his stance was that we should make no laws controlling the growth of the Internet. He understood the impending importance of the globalization of most everything and knew , apparently instinctively, that the internet is the future of nearly everything. Not to mention the spreading of the English Language as the primary language of the world and all the implications of that.

Seems like way more hassle than it's worth. I wouldn't want to always worry about getting my money or if my account is gonna get picked off. If you want to go underground I think playing for bitcoins is the best/safest solution for US players. If more people did that, there'd be great games without any hassles (besides the minor inconvenience of learning what a bitcoin hash is).

Stars' Security Dept is very good at detecting VPN usage. It has always been a violation of their T&C, but since BF they have gotten extremely strict about it. According to the podcasts I listen to, they've frozen many accounts and seized a ton of money for playing through VPNs, so I would strongly discourage anyone from trying.

It is soooooooooooooooo easy to tell if someone is using a proxy server - wouldn't recommend it at all.

dakota-xx said:

It is soooooooooooooooo easy to tell if someone is using a proxy server - wouldn't recommend it at all.

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To be fair, a proxy is not the same as a VPN and are even easier to detect, but nonetheless a VPN is still a bad idea.

if people want to risk account(s) go ahead and use, if not dont its not worth even to try imo.

Surely there's a way if you're ridiculously good 'at computers'. For most people you're very likely to just get caught and you're overall going to be -EV when you factor in that risk. It's not worth it.

If there was a way of clearly masking your location and I have a permanent address abroad and therefore a bank account, surely there's a way of playing in America if say I was studying there for a semester? I'm not sure but I'd think that would be easier.

I know multiple people who have tried to play on Stars from the US. They've all gotten caught and one actually had ~5k locked up, although he got it unlocked something like a year later and after he had already moved overseas. They take it extremely seriously and I would not recommend doing it.

LuckyChippy said:

Surely there's a way if you're ridiculously good 'at computers'. For most people you're very likely to just get caught and you're overall going to be -EV when you factor in that risk. It's not worth it.

If there was a way of clearly masking your location and I have a permanent address abroad and therefore a bank account, surely there's a way of playing in America if say I was studying there for a semester? I'm not sure but I'd think that would be easier.

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Review comments above from the, ridiculously good at computers, dmorris & please stop calling me Shirley.

Hi guys,

I just want to confirm that you would be greatly risking having your account closed and funds seized therein if you attempt to circumvent our automated restrictions by hiding your location to play from the United States.

These restrictions apply to all PokerStars account holders while located inside the United States and its territories. Even if you are a citizen of another country, you will still need to comply with these restrictions while physically located in the United States.

Let me know if you have any questions about this.

Regards,

Dylan

I want to know if it is considerably less risky to use a VPN if your intentions are to not make a withdraw until in a foreign country. I have been playing on sites with U.S. accessibility, for a year now, with substantial success. I wish to enter the poker stars player pool but do not wish to move abroad until i have reached a level of success capable of sustaining such a move. Could I use a VPN to build a bankroll on Poker Stars, that I do not withdraw funds from. Once i build that bankroll move abroad and then make a withdraw. Is this an approach that has a higher chance of not being detected?

StaytheNuts said:

I want to know if it is considerably less risky to use a VPN if your intentions are to not make a withdraw until in a foreign country. I have been playing on sites with U.S. accessibility, for a year now, with substantial success. I wish to enter the Poker Stars player pool but do not wish to move abroad until i have reached a level of success capable of sustaining such a move. Could I use a VPN to build a bankroll on Poker Stars, that I do not withdraw funds from. Once i build that bankroll move abroad and then make a withdraw. Is this an approach that has a higher chance of not being detected?

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This plan you are looking for is doomed to fail.
Things you would need for this to work;

- An account linked to a foreign country with an actual address, bank account, drivers license or passport, and other Identifications.

- A trusted VPN located in another country. <This is the harder part of this scheme. Every packet you send on the web has an identification attached to it that can be geolocated. For example, a poker site update (weekly occurrence) will be thousands of packets long, and every single one might travel a unique path. And while a VPN can strip that addressing, it has to be flawless in doing so for every packet. Nothing is flawless!

-The path you hope to find is so full of holes, that your paranoia levels will spike at the expense of your poker skills.