Originally Posted by AceZWylD
BTW, did anyone read about the collusion that brought down Isuldir on FT? Why is there no uproar about that? Essentially the same thing happened on a smaller scale, and Isuldir was never reimbursed. At least Ultimatebet reimbursed their players. All things relative, there is a risk of this happening anywhere, and I am satisfied with how Ultimatebet handled the situation.
I don't want to derail this thread, it's about the UB issue - but above is too strong for my taste. As far as I know, Brian Townsend admitted to datamining hands on Isildur, which is against the Terms and Conditions of FT, and was suspended as a result for some period of time - whether that's sufficient punishment, I won't pass judgement on.
The "collusion" aspect is due to the fact that Towsend and two other players discussed strategies for playing Isildur prior to the matches where Townsend and (shoot, forgot his name, the guy who won over $4M) cleaned Isildur's clock - to my knowledge, this is all that was substantiated, there were rumors that they shared hand histories as well, or that they were ghosting each other, but this wasn't substantiated as far as I understand. Discussing how to beat a specific player is not against any terms and conditions, and is a common practice.
I haven't kept up with this, so my info may be out of date or incorrect - but that was my understanding when the event was about a week or two old.
The UB issue is substantial, the Isildur thing is nothing like the superuser accounts being able to see players' hole cards - whether FT is culpable in the Isildur thing at all depends on the fact that Townsend is a red pro, not on their security, software, or other business practices - even comparing the two situations is a mistake imo.