Too aggresive.... or not?

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my dad says i play to aggresive sometimes. So I need help. What should I do?
ex. My cards= Kh Qh
i call a raise preflop.
flop= Ks 10s 8h

what should i do here bet big or small, check?
 
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lol it depends on your opponent.... against an unknown id do this

do a big bet, then if called and no sick turn card bet again, if u improve c/r, if they reraise you on the flop call it - then c/f if you sense great strength from them on turn card, obviously like a ugly spade.
 
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what if at the begining of the tourny it happens and you havent had time to see everyones playing style?
 
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There are numerous good reasons to play tighter than normal at the beginning of a tournament. One is that you have no idea how those around you are playing. Secondly, in low-stakes online MTTs, there will be hyper-aggressive players who will see any bet as an opportunity to show off their mad poker skillz by coming over the top with an insane raise. Wait these players out by waiting for a better-than-normal hand, and also get some table reads while you're doing it.
 
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If it is in a tournament, you should play less agresive a check/call is enough, you should save your stack.

But if you are in cash games, you had to know your opponent
If you know that he will hold his cards to the river no matter what your bet is, maybe you should bet only when you see weaknes or your hand has improved.

If you know he folds when he is beated just see his reaction to your beat, he folds= great you just won the pot, he calls= he is mediumly strong or in a draw you shouldnt keep beting, he raises= you are beated and you are the one who should fold.
 
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so for instance if i was in a cardschat tourny and it was at the begining and those cards came up i should just check and call bets?

ty for the info everyone
 
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Depends on whether it's a buy-in or freeroll tourney. Same seems to hold true in almost every forum tourney, Cardschat or otherwise.

Just becuz it's CC doesn't mean the first orbits of a freeroll aren't the Donkville Express. A buy-in tourney is a different animal altogether in forum events.
 
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ive noticed that when you play in a cardschat tourney the cards seem to be delt differently than in a regular freeroll.
i had to develop two different styles of play for each, lol.
 
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I would make a smallish bet to show , hope the person comes over the top, then I would shove, unless they flat call, you'll get value anyway, if they flat call check the turn , show some weakness and hope they bet out.

sorry to take this off topic but my son has started playing poker and I was reading this as though he posted it cause the tyke is super aggressive ( he is 10 )
 
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that is the problem, i would bet small and just get a call and then someone would catch two pair or something.
 
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On the first levels of blinds you have plenty of chips... Why taking so much risk?

Sure, you should check/call, or even check/fold.
It depends if our opponent is a bluffer or a serious poker player.

He maybe missed on the flop, so He is just making a continuation bet to take the pot.

Making the call; you are telling him that the flop actually helped you, so he wont bet anymore on the turn.
You might raise here, but is a little dangerous, because he could re-raise you and then you might pot comited and forced to make the call or sometimes fold and lost lots of chips.
You want to see a cheap showdown, so never bet or raise, because you migth be aggainst AK, AA, KK, 1010, 88 or even A10 (remember he raised preflop... so he is holding a big hand ) so you are beated and you dont want to risk all just with Top pair and second best kicker.

You will never want to try double up with this marginal hand, you just will win a decent pot that will help you out.

There will be maniacs who still raising and maybe going all in because they are holding somethin like AQ, QQ, JJ, or AJ or worst and they want to bluff you and take the pot...
But this is up to you to play their game or just fold and try to see another opportunity where you are holding a better hand and with some reads about the player you are against and then double up.
 
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On the first levels of blinds you have plenty of chips... Why taking so much risk?

Sure, you should check/call, or even check/fold.
It depends if our opponent is a bluffer or a serious poker player.

He maybe missed on the flop, so He is just making a continuation bet to take the pot.

Making the call; you are telling him that the flop actually helped you, so he wont bet anymore on the turn.
You might raise here, but is a little dangerous, because he could re-raise you and then you might pot comited and forced to make the call or sometimes fold and lost lots of chips.
You want to see a cheap showdown, so never bet or raise, because you migth be aggainst AK, AA, KK, 1010, 88 or even A10 (remember he raised preflop... so he is holding a big hand ) so you are beated and you dont want to risk all just with Top pair and second best kicker.

You will never want to try double up with this marginal hand, you just will win a decent pot that will help you out.

There will be maniacs who still raising and maybe going all in because they are holding somethin like AQ, QQ, JJ, or AJ or worst and they want to bluff you and take the pot...
But this is up to you to play their game or just fold and try to see another opportunity where you are holding a better hand and with some reads about the player you are against and then double up.

what if they called your raise pre-flop (not saying i would raise that, lol) and you dont have a read on them and your betting to them?
:confused:
 
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well now

i'm passive till i get a stack then i push like a dummy with solid ak hands that never amount to much but thats changing
 
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i've won a few hundred dollars a hat 2 decks of cards but my game is horse wish we had these events in freerolls on fulltilt nl holdem is a donk fest.. for AA to get busted is sick but i lose a lot pre flop with AA massive bets
 
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I normally play agressive and I would normally bet big or small depending on how the other oponents are and where it is. If it's in a tourney I would bet smaller if it was in the begging bur bigger if it was just some players left. And if the player was more agressive I would bet more than if it was a player who just play with a god hand. If it was the later I would even considering chech/fold.
 
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what if they called your raise pre-flop (not saying i would raise that, lol) and you dont have a read on them and your betting to them?
:confused:

Then you should protect your hand, but keep the pot small...
How?
Bet on the flop half the pot (or a bit more) but only if the board is rainbow and the numbers are not conected with each other.

He is supposed to fold if he didnt paired or got his set, and doesnt have any draw.

Then there are 3 different situations:
*1.-He folds and you win your pot with out any trouble.

*2.-He raises, maybe you are facing a set or two pairs... but you cant fold here, so... you call his raise (if its more than 3 times bigger than your original bet, you should fold right there).
If he bets strong on the turn and you have not improved your hand maybe you should fold (its up to you.. if it wasnt the first hand of the tournament, at least u have seen him playing one hand before, how he plays? bluffed? conservative?... be aware of this and make your own choice).

What happens if he checks on the turn?
You should check 2...(keep the pot small and the bets you accept wont hurt your stack)

And then on the river check again or call his bet if it isnt 2 big.
If he was holding KQ or KJ, K10, or K9 he is trying to get more value of his hand in case you were bluffing on the flop.

Or if he was holding a big pocket pair like QQ, JJ, 99 he wont fold until see all the cards if the price is low, but you cant risk much to make him fold, because you dont know if he already has his set done.
Some players never know when to fold QQ, JJ or worst, even with a flop with an Ace and a K on it and they will go all-in even with this trash hand.

So dont bother trying to get them out...
Why???
Because if they complete the set on the turn or river, they will get you pot commited and knowing you have a big hand and you are maybe ready to go all-in, so if you look like you aren´t strong enough, they wont overbet the pot, because they dont want their set gets with no pay.

*3.-He just calls, you can check on the turn and on the river 2, to keep the pot small, then let him make a bet on the turn or rive and you to accept it, it wont be to big and wont hurt your stack in case you lose.

Why you should not keep betting on the turn or river?
Thats because he might be holding the same pair you do and won´t fold so you might be against an Ace kicker (you loose if your hand doesnt match a second pair) or a smaller kicker than yours (you win if he doesnt improves)...
So if he isn´t going to fold why making the pot bigger and making you pot comitted and on risk to go an all-in and finish your tournament early???

It´s like an agreement that neither of you lose the tournament just for the kicker.

If he´s a good player he shouldn´t overbet the pot with marginal hands.

PS: there are lot of styles, but this is mine... and it works for me, just take the part that matches for you...
Note... this is the best strategy I have found but... just for the early stages... you have lots of chips to see lots of flops and the pots are small compared to your stack.

Kind regards
Pach
 
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I wouldnt check/call at all. Aggression pays. Every pro will tell you that (talking about the books I have read). Now aggression doesnt mean a giant bet for half of your stack, but 3xbb should do just fine. I like to keep the pressure on opponents, why give them any free cards? That only leads to them hitting straights, flushes, etc. Pressure busts pipes...

Edit: Of course this is assuming that you have some kind of a hand and more importantly you are in position.
 
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I agree with you "agresive poker is winning poker"
But with lots of maniacs and amateurs making wrong moves... being agressive makes you more vulnerable to get a bad beat that ends with your tournament early, let the fishes eat themselves and just go fish with a REAL HAND.
Remember this is a tournament, and you just have one pile of chips, and you shouldnt risk it with marginal hands on early stages...
You dont want to win a pot of 100 chips beting all your chips, and only holding a pair and with second best kicker... right? .

Kind regards
Pach
 
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Uhh, are you asking whether I would shove with a pair for a 100 chip pot? That isnt aggressive, that is retarded. Now I would fire 3xbb, then 3xbb, finally 4xbb (depending how many chips we have, what part of the tourney, etc), with top pair if I thought that villian was beat.
 
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