Tired of Pokerstars' Server

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Ok guys, I am sick and tired of pokerstars' server.

It happens a couple of times a day where it just comes up with 'Network Status', and next thing I know im sitting out etc.

So, im looking for a new site, Im UK based, and will be looking for.

Software - Easy software to use, preferably looking good.
Players - Id like a few players so there is lots of games and action..

Sign Up Bonus - This is the main one I think, which site will give me the best deal to start playing, and then whilst I continue?

What do you guys play, and where has been good/bad to you in the past?

Cheers in advance!
 
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carbon

ive never had any issues with carbon poker and have cashed multiple payouts from them that are always fairly timely.
 
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I believe Carbon no longer serves the UK. Any answer from an American will be skewed to one of 3 or 4 sites.

If I were you, I'd naturally gravitate to Full Tilt. But then I'm in America, and you can't trust me.;)
 
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I definitely thought about FT, my options right now are, 888, FT, partypoker and Sky...

Although some people have suggested ACR? So maybe there...
 
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as an American... i would kill a mother****** for access to pokerstars. find it strange someone doesnt like it :D. realistically... i dont think there is better then pokerstars... you wont find the player base or software quality on any other site. i mean maybe FT... but guess who own FT lol. DONT use acr... just a crappy site...even for americans.... surprised its still around to be honest.. if anything... partypoker should be your pick. player base has to be one of the main things. more players, more fish. more money for you to take...its the nature of the game. i dont know what the player base of PP is but 150k+ for pokerstars... that's tough to beat.

i dont think sign up bonuses should be such a big deal for you.... or for anyone... dont get me wrong... its awesome to have a nice bonus from the start... but if you plan on playing the rest of your life... the sign up bonus wont even phase your stake. i think youd rather have a consistent good experience and an okay start up bonus then a shitty lifelong experience and a great sign up bonus.... right?


if connection issues is the only problem your having... try FT or party poker... maybe not even PP. Honestly i dont think another site would be worth the time. stars is so established... been around for so long... and honestly... to me at least... looks like the only site with a possibility for a future. when it becomes legal in us... where do you think all us americans are waiting to go... Stars... who do you think will have the best deals when that happens? Stars! More fish, wayyyy more money flying around... way better sign up and vip bonuses...

BOOM!
 
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i feel OK at FTP, nice tourneys, like the fields

PS needs to improves the system because is getting slower and lately i prefer to keep it shut
 
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Used to love playing at 32red poker and betfred poker. Not sure if betfred is still going, 32red is and used to have some great promotions and games, had a little look on there a month or so ago the s/w seems a bit dated now but it is still going. ACR, black chip poker are a couple that CC have fr's on but the traffic is slow on BCP for other games.
 
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I think you can revert to pokerstars 6 if you feel its getting slower.
 
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888 is ok for me, there's "few" people to play, FTP is also cool, nice tourns, less people but still amount of them is enough to play normally, near like on PS. I think FTP or 888 would be the best
 
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I think you can revert to pokerstars 6 if you feel its getting slower.

Im talking about the actual server... Ive used four different Wifi locations and it still happens, about twice a session i will get 'Network Status' coming up and not allowing me to do anything...
 
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well I had similar feelings , certainly noticed that i wasn't getting as many vpps since the uk client launched.i cashed out my fpps and most of roll , signed up on ipoker with a max level VIP upgrade which equates to 50% rakeback, deposit and renewable bonuses which clear at 20% and a rake chase on top. just waiting to get my id verified before depositing and playing.

Tried looking at 888 , but vip seems poor in comparison to stars, looked at sky with 30% rakeback , but software is horrible, no hud, no hand histories saved to analyse own play , but play is fairly fishy and no currency exchange

downside will be if there's no fish when i get there. Coincidently i imported a load of stars hands into PT4 overnight .....somewhat surprised to see that i paid 10k in blinds . thats an awfull lot of winnings needed just to break even

I had the tables freeze and client shut down on me fairly often as well, combined with my client not saving notes for some reason . All helped me make the decision to try pastures new ....oh and not frgetting the currency exchange to withdraw as well.
 
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Yeah, here in brazil we have the same problem. PokerStars loses the connection many times in the day.
I tried play full tilt poker and 888 Poker, but didn't like them. I continue trying to use the PokerStars software.
 
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So,it is true that PS reputation going down fast!? :confused:
 
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as an American... i would kill a mother****** for access to pokerstars. find it strange someone doesnt like it :D. realistically... i dont think there is better then pokerstars... you wont find the player base or software quality on any other site.
That doesn't necessarily ,make stars a great place to play . It makes it a great place for grinders to grind out huge volume and profit from the upper levels of the VIP scheme, but typically players tend to be better at a certain stake than players at other sites. I know of one person who was coaching a canadian at 25nl who was struggling on stars , they swapped to bovada and are now crushing 100nl . don't assume that the stars you remember will be the stars that you sign up to play at again.
i mean maybe FT... but guess who own FT lol. DONT use acr... just a crappy site...even for americans.... surprised its still around to be honest.. if anything... partypoker should be your pick. player base has to be one of the main things. more players, more fish. more money for you to take...its the nature of the game. i dont know what the player base of PP is but 150k+ for pokerstars... that's tough to beat.
some sites quote players , others like stars quote seats
i dont think sign up bonuses should be such a big deal for you.... or for anyone... dont get me wrong... its awesome to have a nice bonus from the start... but if you plan on playing the rest of your life... the sign up bonus wont even phase your stake. i think youd rather have a consistent good experience and an okay start up bonus then a shitty lifelong experience and a great sign up bonus.... right?
THat is so short sighted . Who says that if you take up a good first deposit bonus that you have to grind there forever more. take the bonus and then move on
if connection issues is the only problem your having... try FT or party poker... maybe not even PP. Honestly i dont think another site would be worth the time. stars is so established... been around for so long... and honestly... to me at least... looks like the only site with a possibility for a future. when it becomes legal in us... where do you think all us americans are waiting to go... Stars... who do you think will have the best deals when that happens? Stars! More fish, wayyyy more money flying around... way better sign up and vip bonuses...

BOOM!

there are 5 billion reasons why strs are cutting te VIP benefits back . Look at how the regulated countries like UK and Bulgaria are getting cuts ontop of everyone elses cuts. Do you honestly think a regulated US poker environment wouldn't be imposing tax implications on stars ? Some of that tax will end up at US players VIP rewards in the form of further cuts to the VIP scheme. STars have already announced that 2016 will see big changes in the VIP scheme.There is no way that that is going to be beneficial to the players.
 
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Im talking about the actual server... Ive used four different Wifi locations and it still happens, about twice a session i will get 'Network Status' coming up and not allowing me to do anything...

Have you tried connecting directly via cable... I sometimes have timeouts on wifi when I play on my laptop but hardly ever when I'm wired up. Apart from that, you'll really struggle to find the volume of players that are at Pokerstars or the variety of games
 
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@keith all im saying is that pokerstars is the powerhouse in the poker market for a reason. whatever there changes are it doesn't matter... poker stars is a business competing in a market it already dominates. whatever changes they make are strategic choices made from a business point of view that wouldnt do anything to hurt their product, and honestly.. whatever they do decide to do... wont ever hurt them much. they are too established and people also seem to think so. there is 190k players on stars playing right now.

10 years ago.. if you wanted to play poker.. you played on stars or full tilt... if you wanted to buy a music player... you bought an ipod... not a zune..

10 years from now... i think that will still be the case.. stars is just the standard now... they've set the bar.

and really what i think it should come down to when picking a site is player base. player base covers almost everything you need in a site.
the more players, the more games, which means more fish, and more money to be made(as well as the site itself to make money and offer bonuses and all the other good service a site can offer)
after all isnt poker about making money at the tables, so why wouldnt you play on the site that has most soft players on it.
 
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are you actually following what is happening at stars or rembering how it used to be?. battle of the planets has gone ? rake has been increased spin and gos are getting hyped with their high variance which is luring people off the normal SNG tables. Stars are doing all they can to maximise the amount going into their own pockets and reduce the amount going into players pockets. This isn't the old "we are poker" stars this is a stars with a 5 billion $ loan to service and the players are just the mugs that are going to pay it.
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are you actually following what is happening at stars or rembering how it used to be?. battle of the planets has gone ? rake has been increased spin and gos are getting hyped with their high variance which is luring people off the normal SNG tables. Stars are doing all they can to maximise the amount going into their own pockets and reduce the amount going into players pockets. This isn't the old "we are poker" stars this is a stars with a 5 billion $ loan to service and the players are just the mugs that are going to pay it.
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Absolutely right Keith, when the Spin'N'Go came out, it sucked out so many players from the Hyper Turbo fields... I thought the casino games were annoying too (I figure fish are more likely to put their winnings into the casino, rather than back into the poker economy), but I spoke to a 'fairly successful' player and they said it could go either way.

I think I will play some Sky SnGs and try a couple of others for cash, or maybe ill just buy a few BitCoins and start grinding rake free over there ;)
 
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are you actually following what is happening at stars or rembering how it used to be?. battle of the planets has gone ? rake has been increased spin and gos are getting hyped with their high variance which is luring people off the normal SNG tables. Stars are doing all they can to maximise the amount going into their own pockets and reduce the amount going into players pockets. This isn't the old "we are poker" stars this is a stars with a 5 billion $ loan to service and the players are just the mugs that are going to pay it.
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there a business... they make money from consumers... i dont see anything wrong with that. its the consumers choice to play with them... and the consumer has spoken.. 200,000 players online right now... happy with there service.

also, i didnt see any other sites dropping a billion dollars to pay the US player the FT money they were owed, even though had nothing to do with it. the way i see it, Stars has done more for the poker world then any other site has ever done.

also... dont be mad about there spin an goes... not there fault people LOVE what they have to offer...if you really think about it... thats a business i would invest in... they make money.. if i had the cash i would buy tons... and tons of stocks with there company. they make money... cause they have consumers... they have consumers cause they have a great product. you make it seem like there running themselves into the ground... but there still here.. and will be for years and years and years and more years to come. making money... the whole time... like a business is suppose to.

and if i want any poker site to make money... its the one that cleans up messes in the poker world.
 
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i dont see why spin and gos get such a bad rep.. ive never played one... and honestly wouldnt play them even if i could. seems more like a lottery then poker. but if players are really getting sucked into them.... stars must be doing something right. which really just makes me wanna play on stars. lol

and if it sucked all the players out the hyper turbo fields... isnt that a good thing? hyper turbos just crap shoots anyway? no skill in that. id rather have a fish at a deep stacked tournament then a turbo any day. i actually dont even play hyper turbos. not enough room for skill in that type of game variant. only hyper turbo ill ever play is an mtt, if im REALLY in the gambling mood. otherwise i dont touch hypers. there just useless game variants to me. and thats cause short stacked play is my absolute favorite way to play. its just so easy.. mostly about the cards and blinds.
 
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there a business... they make money from consumers... i dont see anything wrong with that. its the consumers choice to play with them... and the consumer has spoken.. 200,000 players online right now... happy with there service. [/close]

That is a fallacy ......there are 200,000 seats sat at , not 200,000 players and that includes all the play money seats as well.You're right they are a business, but they are a different business to the one it was this time last year.
also, i didnt see any other sites dropping a billion dollars to pay the US player the FT money they were owed, even though had nothing to do with it. the way i see it, Stars has done more for the poker world then any other site has ever done.
Again a fallacy , stars flouted the US law and paying off the Full tilt money was the only way they had of eventually reentering the US market. Even having done that its still not plain sailing for stars to get into the market with the bad actor clauses states are implementing.
They made a fortune and built their monopoly from flouting the US law, 888 party ipoker etc respected the US laws and avoided the illegal processing of deposits and put themselves at a disadvantage in term sof liquidity. 888 , party and ipoker are all publicly quoted companies , they had to respect the laws , stars as a private company could do as they please. Now stars are owned by a publicly quoted company look whats happening , they have to start abiding by countries laws , so countries where online poker is illegal are now preventing play on stars.
also... dont be mad about there spin an goes... not there fault people LOVE what they have to offer...if you really think about it... thats a business i would invest in... they make money.. if i had the cash i would buy tons... and tons of stocks with there company. they make money... cause they have consumers... they have consumers cause they have a great product. you make it seem like there running themselves into the ground... but there still here.. and will be for years and years and years and more years to come. making money... the whole time... like a business is suppose to.
Just ask yourself , if spin and goes are so lucrative for the poker site , where are the players getting their cut from . They will end up with deposits being converted rapidly into rake . you think hypers are bad , these things are hypers on crack ,

and if i want any poker site to make money... its the one that cleans up messes in the poker world.

rubbish .....the old stas cleaned up the mess , the new stars is stomping all over the goodwill that old stars built up . Old stars had the attitude that what was good for players would grow their maket share and grow their profits . New stars is all about maximising profits today and if traffic drops as a result , well they an just cut player rewards a bit more to compensate.
 
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i dont see why spin and gos get such a bad rep.. ive never played one... and honestly wouldnt play them even if i could. seems more like a lottery then poker. but if players are really getting sucked into them.... stars must be doing something right. which really just makes me wanna play on stars. lol
Here is a breakdown of the prizes you can win in each Spin & Go buy-in level:
Prize Probability

Prize Pool Multiplier $1 Spin & Go
First-Place Prize Frequency
3,600 $3,000 1 of 100,000
240 $200 5 of 100,000
120 $100 10 of 100,000
25 $25 100 of 100,000
10 $10 500 of 100,000
6 $6 7,500 of 100,000
4 $4 18,366 of 100,000
2 $2 73,518 of 100,000
7% of the buy-in goes to rake

thats why they get bad rep. start off with 500 chips as well. 75% of the time 1/3 of the prize pool is skimmed off and only 116 out of 100,000 times does the prize pool gain significantly. i.e highly likely that your prize pool is skimmed and highly unlikely to win the big prizes . Currently being advertised heavily on TV with the spend 5$ to win 1 million dollars in 5 minutes theme. Without actually saying that there is very little chance of actually getting a chance of winning that million $.

and if it sucked all the players out the hyper turbo fields... isnt that a good thing? hyper turbos just crap shoots anyway? no skill in that. id rather have a fish at a deep stacked tournament then a turbo any day. i actually dont even play hyper turbos. not enough room for skill in that type of game variant. only hyper turbo ill ever play is an mtt, if im REALLY in the gambling mood. otherwise i dont touch hypers. there just useless game variants to me. and thats cause short stacked play is my absolute favorite way to play. its just so easy.. mostly about the cards and blinds.

there is no skill in these spin and goes 500 chips , fast blind increases and its normally an all in every hand by someone.
 
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Have to disagree there, there is a significant skill edge to be had in these...
 
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