Super Turbo SnG's on Full Tilt

I have been playing the 3.50+.30 Super Turbo's on Full Tilt for the last 2 days and have been getting fantastic results.

I've played 35 total
Finished 1st 7 times
Finished 2nd 6 times
Finished 3rd 10 times
Finished Out of the Money 12 times

I averaged just under 20 bucks an hour, including a big 1st place in a 14 dollar + 1 dollar that I decided to test out since I was having such good luck, which netted me over 60 bucks alone.

I am curious what you all think about these, and I geuss this is a semi brag, especially since I have been having terrible results prior in cash games

P.S. I'm currently chip leader with 3 left in another one lol

Ya quick update I ended up finishing 1st in the one I was leading in.

Fantastic job. I like thoes as well, I start every day with 2 or 3 3.50 STs to see if the cards are falling on that day. If they are Ill play the mid range games and if the cards arent falling, Ill play the regular turbo 5 STS&Gs and have to work for my money.

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Nice work. What's your strategy been for getting these results?

Those super turbo SNG are fun but it kills your bankroll fast tho. I played only around 2 a day can't go over it or I'll blow my bankroll again

Very nice run! My mojo has taken a hike...everything i fold is golden tho!

play the warm up to FTOPS warm up its the easiest way to turn a buck into 5 no sweat at all. VERY EASY with all the fish

isn the FTOPS warm up a $5 tourney that only runs this sunday with a max of 50,000 ppl entering?

or is what your talking about something different kbasch?

You may be enjoying them now, and your just on a hot streak nothing special, i dont mean to berate you here, or make your wins sound any worse, but the 1 table supers are all luck sir, you just need to win coin flip after coin flip, they are SUPPPER HIGH VARIANCE, so dont jump to the $14 ones man, you need atleast 30 buy ins to be playing these, you could win 20 in a row then go on a streak of not cashing 25. Keep to good brm, dont make silly stake jumps, and dont get annoyed when that dickens varaince comes knocking just stick at it, you must be OK at these super turbos to be winning them, but 30 is a small sample, just watch out man....

Gl at the Tables

I been playing it a lot lately and that is why i blew my bankroll lol, guess I need some improvement on it, and will working on it tho

The super turbos are like trying to avoid rain drops while walking through a mine field. If I was you, I'd take the money and run. The variance is super insane.

Super Turbos can be brutal. You literally have 2 chances at most to make your move. I accidently entered a super turbo for a satellite to the FTP warm up tomorrow....it was only 1 table, so I was like...K i can do this. It was pretty exciting to win the entry. haha.

PattyR said:

isn the FTOPS warm up a $5 tourney that only runs this sunday with a max of 50,000 ppl entering?

or is what your talking about something different kbasch?

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There's 300 chip super turbo sattys to the FTOPS Warm Up for $1.60. Where 1-50 get entry.

smallteene said:

Super Turbos can be brutal. You literally have 2 chances at most to make your move. I accidently entered a super turbo for a satellite to the FTP warm up tomorrow....it was only 1 table, so I was like...K i can do this. It was pretty exciting to win the entry. haha.

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Two chances? I don't get ya? Alot of players in the $3's are limping in &/or open-raising and then even folding to shoves. You can't do this in the supers. Reason I say this is... 'two chances'?? In early levels in these I am always open-shoving,.... whether I'm holding AA,KK or ATs... it's allin or fuhged abow dit.

My parnter has had some good runs in these, playing the $14's. The $7's are typically played ALOT tighter than the $3's and seems a greater percengtage of players are more familiar with what might be considered +EV calls. In the $3's you can run into alot of terrible players (how can someone be terrible in a super turbo you might ask?... easy... ie. shoving in EP early levels with A2o for example).
I know of other guys who've played thousands of these and have actually built up small bankrolls from them. The good regs. in these typically have ROI of around +2- +4%.(large sample size).
I've found them to be profitable myself, but don't play them very often... just a 'quick fix' every now & then.

Okay, these super turbos may be working for you at the moment but i can tell you your luck will change. In these crap shoots its all just luck. So many showdowns meaning so many chances to get lucky or to get extremely unlucky.

I would advise you to stop playing these or at the very least, as soon as you start to lose, STOP! Those things arent even poker. Play MTT tournaments, they will make you a much better poker playerr than those things and you will pick up bad habits play super turbos.

Just my opinion, gl

To OP: There is skill to these but you are running beyond hot. It may not necessarily look like you are running hot but you are most likely just getting a higher percentage of premium hands as compared to the norm in this case. Even if you play perfectly, your edge is not that big due to the nature of these games. Furthermore, because there are so many all ins, variance is huge.

If you can ride out the variance and can multi table these, then they are fine to play but be prepared for downswings. Even if you play perfectly, expect 20 buy in downswings over a large sample size.

Right, listen to me. Its gonna get superswingy.

I thought the same as OP.. and I could build up my BR with these games. I played 7+.5 ST SNGs from $180 until $400-$500. Moved up to $14+1 ST SNGS.. was struggling to beat the $1k threshold while lingering at $600-$700... sometime breaking $900 but usually getting beat down to $500 till I'm where I am now... moved down a limit back to $7.50 +1 and I've lost my entire BR on FTP and had to redeposit $100 which is now being decimated.

I've played like maybe 1k of these ST SNGs. And dude, yes.. they're very swingy. One thing I did do was play some of the 45 man ST SNGs as well...

Take my advice and quit while you're ahead and play proper SnGs. I've sharkscoped other regulars on the tables with me and dude, they too aren't doing too well.

ST SNGs are good for fun and a quick game. But I wouldn't advise everyone to take a go at it and are primarily a quick BR booster/decimator. Both in my case. I take consolation that I did withdraw from MY FT BR for entertainment money and in the grander scheme of things, I did breakeven or make a slight profit. But Long-term BR wise, you're better off elsewhere!

I do not like tournaments Superturbo. the method that I play, I'm a very passive player, I like waiting for good cards, so I do not like the super turbo tournaments, because it starts with a short stack and you have to play like crazy, but good luck to you think you have had good results in these tournaments then continue playing.

Super Turbos are good. You are getting about 2-3% ROI if good enough with a little time invested. Also u can multitable more of them than regular SNGs More appropiate for higher levels, $30 +

AMAZING

That is just unreal, if i had stats for those, it'd probably be near 3 wins, 3 2nds, 3rds out of 25! not even 50% of the time placing. I am addicted to those, very fun, and challenging but I always seem to be down money in the end. I have to learn how to play those better, I have bubbled NUMEROUS times, once four times in a row. Maybe I will come watch you play, see how you play. Wish you luck, KEEP it up

I'm glad you like them, I have had no sucess with this tourney. 300 chips is just unbelieavable. What is your strategy, do you shove? Play small pots?

Alright update time.


After playing over 400 of these:

I am down about 200 bucks, variance is a bitch and there is hardly an edge in these once you play enough you realize it. The final straw for me was losing a 70 dollar one, first hand and first to act, I get AA, all in...three people called, A9 won the whole thing with a runner runner straight. These are a joke, but very fun if your in the mood. I won't write them off completely however, because there is a guy that I watched/researched named bababooey67 (might be wrong on the numbers) that multitables these and has made tens of thousands of dollars in the past 4 months alone just with these superturbo's. Maybe theres something he knows that I don't. Anyways thats my 4 cents, GL at the tables guys.

canucks921 said:

I'm glad you like them, I have had no sucess with this tourney. 300 chips is just unbelieavable. What is your strategy, do you shove? Play small pots?

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You never play small pots in them.. it is strictly shove/fold strategy (even if you wake up w AA in early levels.. SHOVE... you'll likely have a better chance of getting paid off anyways).
The game is based on shove/fold play, similiarly to bubble play in a SNG but with a full table. Typically you're playing tight in early levels in early position (you don't want to shove with A-rag in EP.. but in LP..early levels.. yes.).
As blinds begin to go up, if table's been really tight, you'll often be getting odds to call while in the blinds.
If you happen to double up in the early going, don't make the mistake of donking off half your stack by calling down another shove (unless you've got decent.. which is based upon what position the guy is shoving from and what you're holding obv). It's better to hang onto that 600 then taking a risk early and dropping back down to 300.
One double up typically gets you to the bubble, where it's shove/fold play as usual. On some tables (very loose $3 ones), you might even reach bubble in first couple of orbits on your starting stack (I've cashed in these before without playing a hand, lol.. but wouldn't recommend it).

In the $7's there are alot more regs. (or at least players who know what they're doing) and the game is typically alot tighter in early levels and you don't see the limping & min-raising that you'll see in the $3's. (levels higher in this are even better).

I know of a few guys who played a few thousand of these games and actually got a bit of a bankroll from them. Typically though, an ROI or +2-3% is good (over the longrun). The volume you can put in makes up for it. They're not for the weak-hearted (or easily tilted) as you can take some pretty badruns in them.

I also know of some players who did really well in these in the $3's, then $7's but then had to move up for some reason.... they lost their edge at the higher buyins and bankrolls couldn't hack the variance. Maybe this is similiar to your experience in them OP? $75 seems pretty pricey unless you'd actually built the account up to 7k or something???

The MTT format of these is also getting pretty popular, with some buyins being over $100. I've only tried the super micro buyin MTT super turbos and found them to be just awful.
I know of a CC member who has made the majority of their bankroll by playing the bigger buyin Sat. MTT super turbos (ie. $75 >> to win >> $215). I think they just recently withdrew $2k??? (actually I know they did)

Hmmm.... It's not strictly push or shove .... I done a lot reading of about them... There is a ton of skill involved in them i do very well out of them!!