Softer are harder without US players?

I was just wandering if people were playing better, worse, or the same without us players? Some people claim that Americans players are reckless with their money. I always felt that Europeans and Russians were more aggressive than USA players.

Aggressive != Reckeless.

It's harder to win a full stack with only an overpair, which often happened against US donks. For example :QQ vs AJ on J46 board

Now, it's easier to bluff, because Eastern Europeans are more likely to fold than Americans..

buster999 said:

I was just wandering if people were playing better, worse, or the same without us players? Some people claim that Americans players are reckless with their money. I always felt that Europeans and Russians were more aggressive than USA players.

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It really depends upon what games & what stakes you're talking about here. In micros ($5-$10 buyin range, SNG/MTT) I know the games are softer. In higher buyins they are also softer than before BlackFriday (a good percentage of the top regs. are US players)

Pafkata said:

It's harder to win a full stack with only an overpair, which often happened against US donks. For example :QQ vs AJ on J46 board
Now, it's easier to bluff, because Eastern Europeans are more likely to fold than Americans..

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Interesting observation > "US donks". Wonder what games you're referring to here ^

imo, games are definitely softer without the US players on the tables.

Poker Orifice said:

Interesting observation > "US donks". Wonder what games you're referring to here ^

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I find it close to impossible to get someone stack off with 1 pair hand after BF.. It was something usual in microstakes before... especially when the games were full with Americans.

Poker Orifice said:

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imo, games are definitely softer without the US players on the tables.

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Yes... My thinking is that good US players have been around longer than rest of world because of early exposure and promotion, they are a few years ahead. they are sharper and better schooled... Now I see increasing numbers of Romanians, Spaniards, Brits, Russians, Chinese, and yes Canucks, who are just now entering the field at guppy level...

In a way the game is going back to early days, wild west shootemup where skilled players have a good edge every day... almost

I think US players are better than the europeans players, specially the french players. I play very often on Everest Poker and there have a lot of french players and they are not good players.

I did not see any difference.

Well iv been playing on Carbon since march 10NL-25NL and since black friday its reg central. It seems alot of the US grinders quickly jumped over to merge to build a roll (playing below their normal level). You cant change tables because theres only a limited amount.

I read a couple of threads on 2plus2 and this is the general consensus. I cant remember the last time I seen a passive fish. Theres always between 2-4 regs on each table that will 3bet your steals, raise cbets, float and generally just make things tough for you. I have no problem playing back at them with 4bets and doing the same thing in position but its harder work than the micro stakes should be.

US players dont have a choice but I do so its back to poker stars for me. It will be nice to table select again!

Those of you who have played on Carbon, Bovada and pokerstars - how would you rank the level of players on all three sites?

Hopefully one of these days poker will be legal again in USA and this will be a moot issue

you need to have players from all over to be eligible system ...
system can not become independent.