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Hello,

why casino don't use any kind of smart (intelligent) poker table. If they can count chips with RFID. Any player could have a screen, where will be how much everyone has in chips or what is the actual size of the bet, etc....

Is it something that poker rules prohibiting?
 
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In the casino there are common standards that have been formed over the years. In addition, if people have a desire to play virtual chips, then the options for such a virtual game are numerous on the Internet.
 
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They would lose players - most don't want that kind of information displayed on the table - and they want to play live poker not computerized poker.

They have tables like that on cruise ships.
 
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They would lose players - most don't want that kind of information displayed on the table - and they want to play live poker not computerized poker.

They have tables like that on cruise ships.
I understand you, but they wouldn't see at the screen anything they couldn't know. There could be only information, you can ask a dealer. The advantage is that you know it every time and you don't have to be afraid of the tells, which you are giving if you ask.
 
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Hello,

why casino don't use any kind of smart (intelligent) poker table. If they can count chips with RFID. Any player could have a screen, where will be how much everyone has in chips or what is the actual size of the bet, etc....

Is it something that poker rules prohibiting?

I think you are taking away the wrong idea from this thread:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/how-do-they-do-it-376581/#post4363995

chips are generally not RFID enabled. Only the large denomination cash chips (>>$1000) are RFID, allowing the casino to track their movement. It would be prohibitively expensive to put an RFID chip into every chip on the floor. Enabling every table to read the chips would be even more expensive.

If this were the case (and some casino may try to do it some day) the technological pitfalls would probably wreak havoc with the flow of play on the floor. All of this to create the "advantage" of players being able to have an exact count of their opponents' chips at all times on a screen rather than by simply looking at their stacks.
 
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I think you are taking away the wrong idea from this thread:
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/how-do-they-do-it-376581/#post4363995

Poker chips are generally not RFID enabled. Only the large denomination cash chips (>>$1000) are RFID, allowing the casino to track their movement. It would be prohibitively expensive to put an RFID chip into every chip on the floor. Enabling every table to read the chips would be even more expensive.

If this were the case (and some casino may try to do it some day) the technological pitfalls would probably wreak havoc with the flow of play on the floor. All of this to create the "advantage" of players being able to have an exact count of their opponents' chips at all times on a screen rather than by simply looking at their stacks.
OK, you are right. Let's imagine, that there is no RFID, every information I can use is just by moving from cameras. There could be a program, which can do every of this thing (count stack, bet sizes, count pot), for example, camera count counting it, because they could recognize on a base of colours ( it wouldn't be simple like that, I know, but it is not important). Then it couldn't be so expensive to have it a screen at the table and it could be interesting for hobby players.

What are you saying about this? :)
 
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OK, you are right. Let's imagine, that there is no RFID, every information I can use is just by moving from cameras. There could be a program, which can do every of this thing (count stack, bet sizes, count pot), for example, camera count counting it, because they could recognize on a base of colours ( it wouldn't be simple like that, I know, but it is not important). Then it couldn't be so expensive to have it a screen at the table and it could be interesting for hobby players.

What are you saying about this? :)
I think possible and desirable are two different things in this situation. At a live poker table, there is a lot of human interaction going on. There are reads and tells. There is a "ceremony" of sorts, a ritual of competition and certain acts that make the game what it is.

The Montreal Casino first introduced NLHE with electronic tables (due to some bizarre law against having dealers provide games that weren't played against the house). Despite this happening in the middle of the poker boom, it wasn't very popular and people in Montreal streamed to the live tables in Kanahwake (now home of Playground Poker Club). The law was changed, and now the Casino no longer has electronic tables for poker - and is still not as popular for poker as the rooms in Kanahwake that have free drinks.

I think poker players are not interested in having a series of sensors reading their chips (and especially their cards) when they are playing the live game. The few times I tried the electronic tables at the Casino, I thought it was just like playing online, but with lots of glitches and no beer. BTW, there used to be a law prohibiting drinking of alcohol at the tables in the Casino - this too has changed (or so I heard).

I think if you asked a thousand poker players if they wanted electronic sensors reading everything about the game they were playing, of those with an opinion, it would be overwhelmingly opposed to the idea - especially if it cost them money.
 
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Hi.
Personally, I was recently in a casino, in fact, in which there were only virtual chips.
That is, tables without a dealer, and all calculations and other obligations are executed by a virtual program. As for me, there is nothing special about this.
Playing casinos with live people is much more fun.
Good luck.
 
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hello

For 10 months , i 've been working to create a RFID poker solution for amateur club. i'm still working on the software, and you could find some tests and informations on my webSite : https://smartpoker.jimdo.com/

there is only a commercial solution for casino ( chips and cards), and it cost around 1600 dollars per table.
The technical difficulty is to identify many tags in one shoot in a short time. Every day, you are using probably an access card to your desk, try to put 2 cards in the same time, only once will be read.
the patent to multi read is here :
https://www.google.com/patents/EP21...ved=0ahUKEwintLbk7pXWAhWD6xoKHZrpCRIQ6AEIJjAA



so, the cost to the hardware ( cheaps and cards) is very expensive ( more than 1 euros for 1 cheaps in france), that's why this solution is rare.

but, according to me, it's very interesting to share a big tournament, see the move etc, learning and improve our poker, that's why i'm trying to create a solution less expensive.

best regards.
 
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