Real Players or Computer Bots?

I'm curious ... I've played almost every poker site out there, and the one thing I've wondered about is if I'm playing with real players, or a program. I'm talking about playing real money SnG, limit/nl tables, and freerolls, and it amazes me how many times the best hand gets a bad beat. For example the $20+$2 SnG single table. I'll get the top set, and I'll get beat by runner straight or flush. Another example the freerolls... when I get close to finishing in the $ I'll get Aces or Kings.... you can't fold that right??? And something will happen that the chip leader catches a hand.

I'm sure this this has happened to you all... so just curious if you guys trust the poker sites have ALL real players.

They probably won't leave this thread open very long. Bots and 'programs' have been covered many time in the past and can easily be found by using the Cardschat 'search' feature.

'Bot' type threads usually just turn into 'rigged' threads without any proof or solid evidence.

Thanks for the heads up nick. I'm new to this site so not familiar with the search tools.

Bad beats happen, regardless if it is a bot or not. I doubt bots play in freerolls, as I think most freerollers don't know about bots. Aces or Kings, I can usually never fold. Your outta luck if the chip leader catches a hand, you just need to trust your gut. Both full tilt and pokerstars DO have bots, not to sure about any other poker rooms as I don't play them.

Serious question: Why do you think a bot would know what cards are coming? Wouldn't a bot be programmed to not chase without the proper odds?

What you are insinuating is rigging done by the site and we have a whole thread dedicated to the topic (short version; it's not rigged).

WVHillbilly said:

Serious question: Why do you think a bot would know what cards are coming? Wouldn't a bot be programmed to not chase without the proper odds?

What you are insinuating is rigging done by the site and we have a whole thread dedicated to the topic (short version; it's not rigged).

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Well I would think a Bot would catch it's hand, so even if you have the best hand and bet strong, there can be a draw out there that can crack your hand. I've played enough online poker to know there are real players out there... but u still have to wonder.

unchosen said:

Bad beats happen, regardless if it is a bot or not. I doubt bots play in freerolls, as I think most freerollers don't know about bots. Aces or Kings, I can usually never fold. Your outta luck if the chip leader catches a hand, you just need to trust your gut. Both full tilt and pokerstars DO have bots, not to sure about any other poker rooms as I don't play them.

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And exactly what PROOF do you have of this ... ??

rmac1236 said:

Well I would think a Bot would catch it's hand, so even if you have the best hand and bet strong, there can be a draw out there that can crack your hand. I've played enough online poker to know there are real players out there... but u still have to wonder.

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Why do you assume a bot would have advance knowledge of the cards to come?

nevadanick said:

And exactly what PROOF do you have of this ... ??

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Supports 19 poker rooms, if that's not enough proof for you, then I don't know what is.

well my definition of bot is a program playing against the players. with that in mind ... yes I think it would know or make its hand. i'm just assuming IF there are programs out there.

I remember back in the days there was a program on party poker that can see other peoples hands and make certain cards go out. So anything is possible.

unchosen said:

Supports 19 poker rooms, if that's not enough proof for you, then I don't know what is.

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Oh, I see. The advertising says so ... roflmao.

I'm not saying there are NOT bots. I question that you believe Stars and FT have them. Stars spends a tremendous amount of time, energy and money protecting it's customers. Use them and it will be detected. Your account will be closed and all funds confiscated.

Besides that ... if a 'cheat' program doesn't work, who will you demand your refund from? An offshore hack? How about your local PD. Jump right up to that counter and fill out the report that says you were cheated by a company who sells cheating programs ...

Here's a list from Pokerstars' website listing the programs they prohibit.

* The following are examples of tools and services which are prohibited at all times:
Advanced Poker Calculator
CardAnalyzer
Gambot
Hand HQ
HHCollector
hhSmithey
Holdem Hawk
Holdem Pirate
Holdem Inspector a.k.a. Online Holdem Inspector
Holdem Spy
ICM-Bot
iHH Harvester
Magic Holdem
Mandraker
MyPokerIntel
NoLimitFoldem
Online Omaha High Inspector
Open Holdem Bot
OPI Wizard
Poker Android
Poker Bot+
Poker Bloodhound
Poker Crusher
Poker Edge
Poker Inspector a.k.a. Online Poker Inspector
Poker Mate
Poker Prophecy
POKERobot
Poker Sherlock
Poker Table Manager
Poker Usher
Preflop Poker Bot
Seeker
SharkMate
Sit n' Go Brain
Sixth Sense
SmartCollector a.k.a. Mixed Harvesters
SpadeEye
Stars Hand History (SHH)
StarSpy
Texas Auto Fold
WinHoldem
This list was last updated April 2nd 2009

There are some tools and services which have legitimate uses for analysing your game, but which are not appropriate for use during play. For example, ICM (Independent Chip Model) and Nash Equilibrium tools may be used for post-game analysis and for studying hands which you have previously played. Also, there are some web-based results databases, and its fine to use these to look at your own results. However, you may not use such a tool while the PokerStars software is open.

Some examples of tools and services which are prohibited only while PokerStars is running are:
Insight Poker Hound*
PokerAnalytics
Poker Player Winnings
PokerStrategy ICM Trainer
Real Poker Rankings
SAGE Decision Calculator
sharkscope (including SharkScope HUD)
Short Stacking Strategy Calculator
Sit n’ Go End Game Tools
SitnGo Wizard (v1.0.1.162 and older)**
SNG Power Tools
Spade ICM
STT Analyzer by PokerSoftwareTools
StoxEV
Table Ratings aka Poker Table Ratings
TheCashDB
This list was last updated April 2nd 2009
* PH Stars (a compliant version of Insight Poker Hound) is permitted
** SitnGo Wizard version 1.0.1.163 and later is permitted

rmac1236 said:

well my definition of bot is a program playing against the players. with that in mind ... yes I think it would know or make its hand. i'm just assuming IF there are programs out there.

I remember back in the days there was a program on Party Poker that can see other peoples hands and make certain cards go out. So anything is possible.

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So if we go with your assumptions, which are preposterous btw, and bots either know or can change the board cards, please explain WHY they would be playing freerolls as you state in your original post?

Seems like a waste of a HUGE money maker to scam some broke degens out of their pennies instead of winning MILLIONS from the high stakes games!!!

Did you even stop to think your argument through before you posted? No need to waste one of your few remaining daily posts to answer this one, it's pretty obvious.

LOL

I give up ... you win ... you make a good case. It's just hard to believe how many bad beats happen online ... and doesn't happen as much in live poker. That's poker right!

A BIRD IN THE HAND IS BETTER THAN 2 IN THE BUSH.. if your on the bubble in 16th place and top 30 pay out... i fold everything... THINK NEED NOT GREED... might as well take the for sure money first then work ur way up.... but if you are an "all or nothing player" go for it but once in a 100 seated we're on the bubble im chips leader i go all in ever hand thinkin no one will call me on the bubble and ill increase my chip lead... 2nd place in chips calls me with AA i donk with 910...win or lose that hand i have enough chips to place.. him on the other hand all he had to do was fold and take the for sure money.. but he said go big or go home and went from second to just missing placing ...to answer the other question yeah im sure theres bots out there but from what i here theyre not that hard to beat

I agree ... either play to win, or play to place in the money. So what do you do when your on the bubble but your low stack. And you get a hand like AK? You play it right especially when the blinds are so high? That's what gets me in trouble sometimes... with that exact scenario.

Good advise though. Thanks!

This is pretty much a poker is rigged thread - we already have one of those. Plenty of bot threads too.