Pokerstars Progressive knockouts - 25% bounty pool missing

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I'm having a WTF moment here, can anyone explain to me what happened?

So I am playing the $4.40 builder, $2 bounties + $2 prize pool + 40c rake.

So usually you would have a $2 bounty on your badge at the start, if you knock someone out, $1 goes to your bankroll and $1 goes on top of your bounty making it $3.

This is still how pokerstars explains it :

Most Progressive KOs work like this:

  • 50% of the buy-in goes to the prize pool

  • 50% of the buy-in funds each player’s initial bounty

  • 50% of the bounty is progressive, meaning that when you knock a player out you pocket half of their bounty value, with the other half added to your own bounty value.

But instead of $2 our bounties are now all $1. So I figured they tried to simplify it, show you what you get so to speak. And true is Bob, you knock him out and you get $1 added to your bankroll. But then you only get 50c topped onto your own bounty. So now your bounty is $1.50, where did the other 50c go?

Are they taking 25% of the bounty prizepool as rake now? How long has this been going on?
 
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Even i the lobby under Structure -> Tournament Information it still states.

All Players start with a $2 bounty. Each time a player is eliminated 50% is awarded to the player who eliminated them and the remaining 50% is added to that players bounty.

Everything still works the same but we only start with $1 not $2.
 
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I was wrong, it's actually 50% of the bountypool is missing. They start you off on half and you only earn 50% as per usual.

Anyone else see this?
 
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I was wrong, it's actually 50% of the bountypool is missing. They start you off on half and you only earn 50% as per usual.

Anyone else see this?



Hey it confused me at first too. A couple months ago they changed it to show how much you get for knocking that person out instead of the total bounty. Before you would get half to your account and half to your bounty, now it shows the number you get exactly for knocking them out and the same amount goes to your bounty
 
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I was wrong, it's actually 50% of the bountypool is missing. They start you off on half and you only earn 50% as per usual.

Anyone else see this?
Its not missing :D before when you eliminated someone you would get 1$ and your bounty would be 3$, when someone knocks you then he would get 1.5 right?? Wel now it shows only that 1.5 but he will get same 1.5, and his will go up for 0.75 not 1.5 like before... But if someone takes him out will get 1.75, so everithing is same, it just don't show same way... Don't you think sharks on 215 builders would notice it right away and stop playing instantly if your calculation was corect? :D
 
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Its not missing :D before when you eliminated someone you would get 1$ and your bounty would be 3$, when someone knocks you then he would get 1.5 right?? Wel now it shows only that 1.5 but he will get same 1.5, and his will go up for 0.75 not 1.5 like before... But if someone takes him out will get 1.75, so everithing is same, it just don't show same way... Don't you think sharks on 215 builders would notice it right away and stop playing instantly if your calculation was corect? :D

But now it says 75c after a knockout, not $1.50 and only 25c went to my bankroll, not the promised 50c. So in fact 50% of the bounty prizepool is not in play anymore.

Would you stop playing? I noticed that it now takes me 8 KOs to make up my buy-in instead of 4 and did I stop playing? We are really at their mercy here, take it or leave it.
 
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Hey it confused me at first too. A couple months ago they changed it to show how much you get for knocking that person out instead of the total bounty. Before you would get half to your account and half to your bounty, now it shows the number you get exactly for knocking them out and the same amount goes to your bounty

This is what I thought it meant, but when I started looking closer at my bankroll and the Info tab, bounties won, also what gets added to the players bounty and it's only 50% of what is displayed still as per usual. The only difference is that we only start with 50%.

Or am I mistaken?
 
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Everything is same as before, it's just a different way of showing bounties.
 
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I found a post, on the other forum we shall not name, dated June 6th. It is in the general stars MTT thread where everyone is complaining about something or other but no one seemed to respond to this.

I haven't been playing for a while so I only noticed this yesterday. Has no one else picked up on this or is everyone just terrible at maths?

What I'd like to know is where does all that money go? this means stars is raking the progressive bounty tournaments with an additional 25% per buy-in. This is not what they proclaim so it is either fraud down right theft! How long has this been going on?
 
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Everything is same as before, it's just a different way of showing bounties.

I is not, do the math. The player that wins a KO still only gets 50% of what was displayed and you only get 50% of what was displayed. Problem is we are starting with 50% less so where did that money go?
 
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Here is a screen shot of a table on the $33 bounty builder.

For this tournament the buy-in is $15 + $15 + $3.

For every KO $7.50 goes to your bankroll and $7.50 is added to the players bounties. $7.50 + $7.50 = $15.

Notice the players with $11.25 bounties, they each got 1 KO.

They all started with $7.50 but the bounty only increased with 50% of $7.50 = $3.75 instead of it increasing by $7.50.

$7.50 + $3.75 = $11.25
 

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In the old system those players would have 22.50 bounties and you would get 11.25 for knocking them out and now it's only shown what you get for knocking each player out so everything is the same.
 
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Here is a screen shot of a table on the $33 bounty builder.

For this tournament the buy-in is $15 + $15 + $3.

For every KO $7.50 goes to your bankroll and $7.50 is added to the players bounties. $7.50 + $7.50 = $15.

Notice the players with $11.25 bounties, they each got 1 KO.

They all started with $7.50 but the bounty only increased with 50% of $7.50 = $3.75 instead of it increasing by $7.50.

$7.50 + $3.75 = $11.25
When you get KO your bounty increases for half of KO so from 7.5 to 11.75... And you get all 11.25 when you KO someone... Before it showed your bounty is 22.5 but when you are kicked out guy gets only 11.75 as does now... They just halfed number so that you can see excatly how muvh you will get when KO someone.. Before you just got half from what bounty is... And i am sure you don't need 8 bounties for money back... On 4.4 it say bounty is 1$ and you get that 1$ when KO someone, so 4x1 is still 4 as before...
 
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Ok I stand corrected, everything appears to still be legit. The full bounties prize pool gets paid out.

Still feel cheated though with the smaller bounties displayed, less is never more. I don't understand why they needed to change this, the old way worked and was less confusing. Soon we'll forget how it used to be and then it won't matter anymore.
 
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I agree with you, had a back and forth with stars support about it. They weren't getting my point at all and just kept replying with the same response.

The example I sent to them was for the $2 bounty builder.

You start with 50c displayed and you get 50c for each KO so 50c should be added to your head. After 1 KO you should be displaying $1 as your bounty but it shows as 75c.

I've given up on trying to get through to support because they just persist that it's correct but it isn't.
 
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