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A question I have often wondered about ....can you REALLY win a Bad Beat jackpot ? Don't they just wangle it so one of their bots gets it? I remember the Ultimate bet scandal and think for sure similar things must be going on all the time. I would really like to hear your thoughts
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Who cares who and what thinks? There will be no evidence
 
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I would like to actually see a check withdrawal, btw I am sure people have received them before. Say a bot does win, there is no employee of the week pics of people for internet poker. So how do people know, for instance emails which require personal information should be associated within the player base, well because were online anyway. I could go on about other stuff, but basically knowing when prizes are hit a actually person claims it is important. A list of names with no way to associated it eith real people is weird.
 
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If that is what you want, you should cash out and only play live.
 
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Of course you can win a BBJ. How probable is it? Highly unlikely but it can happen.
 
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yes I agree. VERY weird...they can do just as they please and we have no recourse at all
 
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you are right there Iryna...there is no actual evidence...but to say who cares???? Of COURSE we care...we all do, we support them by playing and paying rake and want to know where we really stand
 
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There are only opinions about this subject ;) You will never know the truth :)
 
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Find nicknames who won. Look how long they played or just registered and almost never played before (and after). Look if they really moved up in limits. Though maybe they just cashed out. Try to talk to them if it's possible and if they respond. Mention the victory and you will see if they are really glad about it or they don't care. Statistics and tells will tell you all. I'm lazy to do this. I don't play Jackpot.
 
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Because we are playing online, we will always think that factors that have not favored us will be being manipulated. Now is the question, to be or not to be?
 
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Anything can happen only. They dont answer to anyone and laughing all the way to the bank whether we win or lose..

Whenever we register a game, they take a portion of it. So its win win for them.
 
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YOU ARE THE ONE TO BLAME FOR YOUR LOSSES.

Do you think if you are the zebra caught by the lions that it was nature's fault? No, you clearly aren't fitter than the rest of your herd and were picked on for being slow.

Life isn't about mercy, it's about having no mercy on YOURSELF so that you end up on top of the food chain even if you were born to be a prey (a fit zebra).

You must master poker through vigilant analysis of every loss and win. Ask yourself how much confidence you had in your moves and how much reliance on the cards coming up you had. The less you relied on the cards showing up and more you relied on your knowledge of stats and the opponents' playstyle, the better you are at poker even if immediate results don't support it.
 
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YOU ARE THE ONE TO BLAME FOR YOUR LOSSES.

Do you think if you are the zebra caught by the lions that it was nature's fault? No, you clearly aren't fitter than the rest of your herd and were picked on for being slow.

Life isn't about mercy, it's about having no mercy on YOURSELF so that you end up on top of the food chain even if you were born to be a prey (a fit zebra).

You must master poker through vigilant analysis of every loss and win. Ask yourself how much confidence you had in your moves and how much reliance on the cards coming up you had. The less you relied on the cards showing up and more you relied on your knowledge of stats and the opponents' playstyle, the better you are at poker even if immediate results don't support it.

What on earth are you talking about? The OP was simply speculating about online cheating.

Personally I don't believe in it. If anything the UB scandal just proved how much corporations and individuals caught in scandals prove to lose, both online and offline. What a few then thousands or even a few 100Ks as opposed to the fallout from the blowout.

The loyal customer bases, that these very corporations court, are more analytical and mathematically inclined that the average customer base for other industry types. If I recall correctly it was a combination of players that first brought this forward after a thorough analysis.

Besides we also have sites like pokerprolabs and sharkscope for easier tracking.
 
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A question I have often wondered about ....can you REALLY win a Bad Beat jackpot ? Don't they just wangle it so one of their bots gets it? I remember the Ultimate bet scandal and think for sure similar things must be going on all the time. I would really like to hear your thoughts
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Being a systems analyst and programmer, I reckon there are quiet a few dodgy things online. Realistically they answer to no one, and they are never policed. They can do whatever they like. How good are they at tracking collusion ? I don't think they are too good, and I don't think they give a s__t ! Everybody thinks the sites police this actively, but I don't think they do.

A perfect example of online transparency, would be if the sites published the stats for their dealing algorithms in double newspaper spread. Over 200 or 300 million hands dealt, show the stats and data for what was dealt on the flop. The stats for every combination of cards are known (you have a finite number of card combinations). How close does the sites algorithm come to the norm ? They should be falling over each other to prove that their software works perfectly.
 
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Being a systems analyst and programmer, I reckon there are quiet a few dodgy things online. Realistically they answer to no one, and they are never policed. They can do whatever they like. How good are they at tracking collusion ? I don't think they are too good, and I don't think they give a s__t ! Ever

HEEEY PIET...Hoe gaan dit daar anderkant?? Dankie vir jou gedagtes
 
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Being a systems analyst and programmer, I reckon there are quiet a few dodgy things online. Realistically they answer to no one, and they are never policed. They can do whatever they like. How good are they at tracking collusion ? I don't think they are too good, and I don't think they give a s__t ! Ever

HEEEY PIET...Hoe gaan dit daar anderkant?? Dankie vir jou gedagtes

Well if it's professions I worked my entire professional career in the aviation industry, including a 3 year stint in FFP fraud prevention and detection.

I remember doing some research on collusion when I first started taking poker seriously and before making my first deposit. And what I read about pokerstars doing for collusion convinced me that making the first deposit with them wasn't a mistake.

I just discovered two more interesting reads here & here.

I'm not saying collusion and other forms of cheating are non existent. But it would be a mistake to assume that poker operators are doing nothing about in light of the scandals that have turned up over the years.

Did some digging around about the RNG as well and it's interesting to see that PS are ISO certified (here and here) by a third party organisation, who in turn have to be accredited by individual governing bodies (here and here) in countries to operate.

I'm not a PS fanboy but they are the biggest poker operator in the world by marketshare and have the most exposure. I'm sure other industry leaders like 888 and party have similar, if not the same, practices in place.
 
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It happens rarely, but, it does happen. I read about several BBJ winners.
 
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If yoy want honesty go to Billy Joel...
 
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I also doubt that the jackpot is being shot by people, it's better to show the video of his interview where exactly show that he won
 
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Really, we'll never know the truth
 
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The probability of deception always exists. I want to believe that everything is honest.
 
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