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I am a long time lurker on multiple poker forums and NLHE enthusiast for about 2 years now. I have read my fair share
I am a long time lurker on multiple poker forums and NLHE enthusiast for about 2 years now. I have read my fair share of threads about RNG rigging and bad beats. To that end, I want to propose to you that online poker RNGs are likely not rigged to favour certain players but rather that there are algorithms in play that will favour certain players to win against others depending on player performance relative to others at the table over a number of previous boards.
I would like to demonstrate to you what I mean, but it will require the collection of data from broadcasts that show all players' hole hands. I have done this so far for PokerStars's Sunday Million final table from February 11th. The trouble is that this takes hours to do manually and to format the data to show the required variables:
1. Player chip count before each flop
2. Player position at the table (Dealer, SB, BB, etc.)
3. Player hole cards
4. The board cards (if any)
5. The winning player
6. The winning hole cards (out of all players including those who folded)
7. The change in each player's chip count as a result of the transactions that took place with each deal.
To be clear: I am proposing that the anomalies observed in online poker are not due to card rigging but are based on player performance against other players at the same table (i.e. wins, losses of chips, frequency of bets, etc.)
Can anybody help me out with this? I have good results so far with my first data set but will need a lot more to establish statistical significance. Any programmers/statisticians that can help?
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I am proposing that the anomalies observed in online poker
What anomalies? Are you talking about losing hands that happen in poker? What makes you think there are anomalies? A hunch?
19th February 2018, 2:40 AM
What? So it's rigged or it's not rigged? It could be rigged against you in some cases and rigged for you in some cases?
19th February 2018, 3:24 AM
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smallfrie and WDMEVG:
The simplified answer is that, in my hypothesis, RNGs "rig" the game for everybody equally, but they do so according to a set of rules which have nothing to do with the cards that are actually dealt. The rules apply equally to every single player.
When I mention "anomalies", I don't mean just any good beat or bad beat. To me, anomalies are situations that are statistically unlikely and which happen to coincide with critical tournament or game events. For example, somebody at a table wins a big pot and with a full house and gets dealt AA the very next hand versus KK, 99, and AKs which ends up in a flush for the player who lost the previous board. That is an example of an anomaly because you have several inducing hands that warrant shoving and a statistically unlikely flush as the winner right after a full house.
I hope this clarifies what I am talking about a bit and shows you that I am quite serious about what I am talking about... Not just your usual player complaining about bad luck.
19th February 2018, 4:36 AM
I would also like to add that the primary purpose of this thread is to seek help with data mining and analysis as described in my first post. If I can get a few folks on board that know how to do this efficiently, the statistical analysis of the data itself will define the anomalies for us.