Poker Bots?? Come on

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It seems like whenever some one loses a bad hand or is just straight bad at poker they like to blame the software and the site saying its full of bots designed to take your money.

I am curious is there really evidence that there are bots and faulty software Or do you feel like people have to have some explain action why they lost so they blame the site.

When I play a casinos I see the same bad beats and bad calls and river hits. It's the game of poker sometimes the chips fall in you stack but most of the time they don't!
 
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There are pokerbots out there but most sites can detect them and ban the players from using them. They are easy to beat if you find yourself up against one though.
 
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I agree with you on one point, that you see the same crazy ridiculous plays in casinos. In the long run though, those players should be paying you off.
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Sites (in general, meaning the mainstream sites) are not rigged.

Bots, however, do exist. On all sites, at any given time, although some sites are much better about policing them than others. iPoker has a reputation (deserved or not -- I don't play there so don't speak from experience), for being bot infested and not really caring or at least doing anything about it. In the earlier days of online poker, it wasn't all that unusual for the sites themselves to employ bots to start games or keep them going, as they were cheaper than prop players. Some sites are rumored to still do so, but it's much less publicly accepted these days.

Not all bots are easily recognized and/or beatable. There are some extremely sophisticated ones now, but they're pretty rare and good enough to not be wasting their time at the micros, compared to the simpler, more obvious bots that are easily exploitable by a thinking player.

But to your poinst... yes, the vast majority (as in, 99.9%) of micro stakes online players constantly bitching about their online poker results are either bad players themselves and/or have no real understanding of variance and probabilities. The latter commonly goes hand-in-hand with the former.
 
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I'm not so sure about bots - my biggest concern with online poker would be collusion. The idea of that annoys me and I feel like it would be VERY possible on a site like bovada.
 
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There are definitely bots, mostly in limit I believe. I have not heard about no limit bots, but i would not doubt it if there was. There is also the famous Ultimate Bet superuser scandal. So there is a lot of bad stuff out there.

But in all honesty, I do not see a reason for at least the major internet poker sites to be rigged. They have no reason to because they make huge amounts of money.
 
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There are definitely bots, mostly in limit I believe. I have not heard about no limit bots, but i would not doubt it if there was. There is also the famous Ultimate Bet superuser scandal. So there is a lot of bad stuff out there.

But in all honesty, I do not see a reason for at least the major internet poker sites to be rigged. They have no reason to because they make huge amounts of money.

While that is true and the companies already make A LOT of money... people are naturally greedy and always want more.

You could have a company who is 100% legit and honest, and then have someone who works in the IT/Security dept. who wants to make more cash than his 75$/hr pay.

I guess in theory, no one will ever know besides the ones who (are?) or are not involved.

Big sites like Stars, FTP and bodog are probably very safe. However, there are some sites I will never play on again.
 
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I am sure that at big sites, like, for example, PS or FTP there are no bots. Companies try to destroy them fastly so all this complains about bots, in my opinion, are stupid
 
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How many millionaire bots do you know? And seriously, do you not think after a few minutes at the table with a bot it wouldn't become apparent? You can make a bot fold pocket aces lol how about that! A bot's job is to mathematically make moves,that's the reason a real 'bot' makes those seemingly crazy bets with 5-8. and wins. That 'bot' isn't looking at your impressive stat column. It's something like a card counter in a black jack game.And they can't see hole cards lolol, that requires inside help and several accomplices. with a lot of extra communication devices. :boxing:
 
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I play a lot - maybe too much - on BetOnline. Reason being they have a lot of freerolls, consistently.

I often speculate bot play on there -- quick, automatic moves that seem to make little sense to me.

I think the problem - when you start thinking about bots, and the ethics of this being an "on-the-level" poker game with legitimate players - becomes other "on-the-level" aspects of the site.

Like, if you can't be sure of the players being real, how sure can you be of the Random Number Generators being completely random? Especially on a sorta-shady site like BOL.

Also, I'm curious, what do ya'll do to combat a "player" who you think is a bot?
 
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Id probably say see what they fold...to whay raises on pre flop turn and river

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Heads up bots are easy to detect. They fold a LOT and do so QUITE quickly. I've had some that fold 100% until the blinds are almost maxed out. Then They bet on good hands.
 
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Would this make the game beatable o_O if so why would they have bots on I poker

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Robots gon' get us all. Yessir! Dem Skynets and radio waves gon's make us all po' as dirt. Honestly though bots at low levels aren't much of a threat. Collusion is the real thing to watch for.
 
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The only problem I have with the conspiracy theory is that the card room would have to be willing to risk everything to scrape a few dollars from everyone. Now granted that could mean millions of dollars a year but look at what happened on Black Friday.

That was done to make an example out of cardrooms who try to beat the system! After seeing that wouldn't you be more cautious and abide by the rules?? Having a successful honest running room is worth so much more in the long run than the quick dollars brought about by cheating your subscribed trusting players.

Maybe I'm being too idealistic.
 
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The only problem I have with the conspiracy theory is that the card room would have to be willing to risk everything to scrape a few dollars from everyone. Now granted that could mean millions of dollars a year but look at what happened on Black Friday.

That was done to make an example out of cardrooms who try to beat the system! After seeing that wouldn't you be more cautious and abide by the rules?? Having a successful honest running room is worth so much more in the long run than the quick dollars brought about by cheating your subscribed trusting players.

Maybe I'm being too idealistic.

From the little bits I have read I think it is some of the players who might use a bot and not the site itself. I do not know much about them but the bit I read said that the cheaper ones you can buy online are not very good and might be breakeven or something like that but I think that is also in the micro levels to.
 
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There are absolutely bots playing on all sites. They range in difficulty and successfulness but any half decent bot will not be detectable by time banks or something as simple as "they fold a lot"....if you can detect that you're playing a bot by something that simplistic, you're most likely in for an easy payday and you should keep playing.

Real bots will make plays based on positive EV and will constantly be recording your plays and updating the range of hands they expect you to have in order to calculate those +EV decisions.
 
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The OP is correct however in that people give way too much credit to bots and overestimate their prevalence (and most likely their profitability) completely. Although I said their are bots on every site, as pointed out by others, good ones are rare.
 
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really doubt the sites are rigged man. Hearing abouts bots so much is unsettling, but i have confidence that the sites can weed out the BS
 
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really doubt the sites are rigged man. Hearing abouts bots so much is unsettling, but i have confidence that the sites can weed out the BS

Nobody's saying the sites are rigged...at least nobody clever...

The only reason why they would even consider attempting to weed out bots is from a PR standpoint...why else would they? Bots are paying rake just like real players and a bot can stay online indefinitely...

And the reason the PR issue is a non issue is:

1. Most of the players on sites have never even heard of bots.
2. Even the ones who have, have no way to prove they were playing against one.

These 2 factors means there's just not enough demand to enforce any bans properly and even if there was...how could they? All bots do is take information from hand history, do maths and click a point on the screen...how do you identify a program like that as being a bot?
 
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There are bots out there and yes people get bad beats online and live.
 
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I just wish Bovada didnt use the anonymous system so I could see the people who called my 4bet with 10 9o then hit a 2 pair vs my pocket AA
 
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I play on carbon and bet on line ,I know its not statistical analysis ,but BET ON LINE feels different than carbon,I've also know there's different degrees of randomness I wonder of BET ON LINE'S random number generator is set up for a higher degree of randomness.
 
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Bots are a fact not a myth

There are bots and they get caught out, an example would be on stars i used to multi table on the there site and noticed a player named from memory Bowlcut or something similar anyways a lot of things indicated to me that this was a bot and i complained asking stars to investigate the player in question and as is there way they replied with "we have previously investigated this player and all indication are that he/she is a real player and not a bot, a few weeks later i got a very small refund and the player in question vanished and i mean totally vanished off any stats sites off sharkscope and gone until of course he attacks again these computer cheats are a savy mob believe me on that one.
This online poker is great fun but talk about a flawed platform, on just how many levels and in how many ways is it not to be trusted? for me it's easy i don't care about anything out of my control these things include collusion, HUD's, bots, hacker's, moderation, scams, Full Tilt, Stars and 888, and the list is growing, now HUD's get serious people HUD's are a tool created by online poker networks in order to increase profits for them selves they detract from the game but allow people to multi table and increase there turnover profits the player's call them selves grinder's and in my opinion get a boost from the networks you pat my back and i'll pat yours kind thing, i know because i have a better strike rate when i divide my attention between 8 tables go figure if i play 1up i have a worse strike rate than when i 8 table and i don't even use a HUD i can't on my mac well one German guy offers a service but i tried it and didn't rate it well. HUD's are for bad player's and they would get eaten alive live, i don't need one because i have studied the mathematics and memorized it well enough.
 
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That's a good question you should investigate a bit further most companies will tell you what RNG they use maybe it's the same one or maybe your spot on and it's a different RNG a better and some how more random NG, in my experience there all slightly different i have not played at Bet On Line i do play at Carbon and have found there RNG to be fair well in my opinion anyways, Do you have more wins at Bet On Line?
 
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