Oh the pain. Full Tilt .0 + .10 rebuy

So I entered my first one today. And after about four hours I won my buy in back. I rebought twice and added on, and won a net profit of .19 by just skimming into the money.

Wow was this painful. And when it was over and I thought about what I had gained... I wondered if it was worth it.

1.79 win minus the 1.60 I paid in and we get .19

lol.

I guess its good experience. I've played in the Ultimate Bet big Sunday game, hundreds of 5.50 and 10 plus one tournaments and hundreds of freerolls and I take each one of them just as seriously as the last.

But .19 cents. Theres got to be an easier way.

Yeah, check the couch cushions for change.

LOL. I play that one fairly regularly (almost like real poker). I've "cashed" in the $2-5$ range, too, after rebuying and adding on. Then I do the math and figure out, I'm making about $.03 an hour. But gee, if I do this well 100,000 more times, and I'll have some serious money, by which time I'll be around 113 years old. I now have a new rule in that one. No rebuys, no add-ons. What I start with is what I play with.

But, hey, won $.11 in a Full Tilt Wepokeryou freeroll last night, so I've got supplemental income, right? ;<{D

hipshot55 said:

But, hey, won $.11 in a Full Tilt Wepokeryou freeroll last night, so I've got supplemental income, right? ;<{D

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lol yep. 11 cents times 1000 equals $110.00. At about 3 hours each that's 3000 hours or 125 days or your time!

Now don't get me wrong. I really think the private freerolls are a great way to build bankroll.

I'm on a private mission to play nothing but freerolls on Full Tilt for 1 year. I've been at it 156 days and now have $57.95 won through both private and Full Tilt freerolls.

hipshot55 said:

Yeah, check the couch cushions for change.

LOL. I play that one fairly regularly (almost like real poker). I've "cashed" in the $2-5$ range, too, after rebuying and adding on. Then I do the math and figure out, I'm making about $.03 an hour. But gee, if I do this well 100,000 more times, and I'll have some serious money, by which time I'll be around 113 years old. I now have a new rule in that one. No rebuys, no add-ons. What I start with is what I play with.

But, hey, won $.11 in a Full Tilt Wepokeryou freeroll last night, so I've got supplemental income, right? ;<{D

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LOL. Aint it the truth.

10c rebuys are fun, take a shot. Low risk, high reward. Especially If you have nothing else to do and in the mood to play. But don't get upset If you lose (not saying you did) it's only a dime. lol

I play these for the experience of playing a large field, (cause I am an internet poker newbie) and have little experience with large fields. And I want to gain that experience cheaply. Cause if I think about the money gained, I will shake my head.....neverd worked so hard for so little ever.

If you want to make money on a consistent basis playing poker, cash games are the way to go. Less time. Fewer opponents. The Freeroll thing is fun if you can deal with that style of play.

I would caution annie that freerolls are NOT typical of every large field online tournament. In the early stages there are way too many donks trying to build a quick stack, going in with rags and oftentimes hitting them.

My advice would be to build a bankroll and go to the micro stakes cash games. Less frustrating and you will learn better poker habits than playing freerolls exclusively. And you will make money faster.

There is a reason that the bread and butter of so many pros is the cash game and not big tournament play.

i dont even think its worth it to add on and rebuy >.> considering the buyins 10 cents and the rebuys are 50. I think itll be more worth it just to try it everyday for the 10 cents. But anyways that tourney is painful. I'd have to play REALLY REALLY tight until the donks are gone so i can make the money. Not Fun!

Cobryn said:

But .19 cents. Theres got to be an easier way.

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There is ... it's called 'depositing'. ... ... Then there are those (like me) who will never deposit online (by choice).

Our only choice then is the micro games and freerolls of any kind. The options get pretty limited. There are 2 categories (imo) to the -0- starting crowd.

1. Those who win less than a $1 and run right off as soon as they can to a micro ring table to donk it all away in their one 'all-in' stab to 'strike it rich'. (then it's back to FR's).

2. Those (few) who can bank their winnings until they have the funds for putting BR management into play.

Build a small BR as Ferguson did in his Challenge to $10k. What? 9 months to get 'stable' at $6.50? And that was a PRO working on it. After you have a small BR, apply his strategy. It does work for those who want to build something from nothing, but it isn't from dimer MTT's with rebuys and addons.

As a matter of perspective, if you had put up .10c to make .19c, you've almost doubled your investment. OTOH, .19c from a $1.60 investment is <1.2% return and an unreasonable investment for that ROI, and the risk of the $1.60 buy-in cost if you did not make it ITM, which happens often in these donkfests.

A player who deposits $500 and invests $20 in an MTT to win $40 still gets the same 2x ROI, but they often scoff at the dimer player and the .19c win. It's the same 'double up' and no different than the depositor who can put up $5,000 in their account and wonder how someone could play for just a $40 win ... ... you could say it's in the 'eye of the be-holder' - in this case, it's in the 'eye of BR-holder'.

ZzRick said:

i dont even think its worth it to add on and rebuy >.> considering the buyins 10 cents and the rebuys are 50. I think itll be more worth it just to try it everyday for the 10 cents. But anyways that tourney is painful. I'd have to play REALLY REALLY tight until the donks are gone so i can make the money. Not Fun!

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The FT dimer re-buys are sucker games, imo. 10c buy-in and 50c rebuys/addon? It's like the computer peripheral industry that charges $30 for a printer and $35 for an ink cartridge.

Seriously don't enter the 10 cent tournaments they really take a lot of time and effort to get into the money only 100 get paid out of 3000 players and even then you don't get enough money out of it try turbo sitngo's and matrix tournaments you get rewarded more for better player or the $0.50 rebuy double deuce sat

i always play in that and never have the 50 cents to rebuy or add on, yes i know its sad... but my best place in that tournament was 320th out of 3600 without making a rebuy or add on even though i didnt make the money i consider that a pretty decent job lol.

just strat with the 10 cents and stay with the 10 cents no rebuys no add ons thats my rule.. i haven t won yet

nevadanick said:

There is ... it's called 'depositing'. ... ... Then there are those (like me) who will never deposit online (by choice).

Our only choice then is the micro games and freerolls of any kind. The options get pretty limited. There are 2 categories (imo) to the -0- starting crowd.

1. Those who win less than a $1 and run right off as soon as they can to a micro ring table to donk it all away in their one 'all-in' stab to 'strike it rich'. (then it's back to FR's).

2. Those (few) who can bank their winnings until they have the funds for putting BR management into play.

Build a small BR as Ferguson did in his Challenge to $10k. What? 9 months to get 'stable' at $6.50? And that was a PRO working on it. After you have a small BR, apply his strategy. It does work for those who want to build something from nothing, but it isn't from dimer MTT's with rebuys and addons.

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I've went both routes on building a Full Tilt Bankroll. First I would win a minor cash in a freeroll and then I'd actually run it up a bit but eventually go broke.

Right now I'm working on building the bankroll up to a decent level by playing nothing but freerolls. 150+ days in I'm at $57+ by playing nothing but freerolls. I'm going to go one full year and I'll probably have $120+ bankroll at that time.

I'm with you on not depositing. There are too many factors that can cost me money in the on-line poker world. With the uncertainty of the legal status, the scandals that are popping up, and other fundamental factors, I simply won't deposit money on a poker site at the current time.

you don't really do big tournaments for the hourly, moreso for the fun. except when you get a 5k score and can be all "I spent 6:12 playing this tournament, which equates to $966.54 an hour, and with FPPs, that makes it $971.33 per hour! Much better than my friends who work as assistants for retarded people's dog's fleas! "

I'm Smokin' Now!

TRB1965 said:

lol yep. 11 cents times 1000 equals $110.00. At about 3 hours each that's 3000 hours or 125 days or your time!

Now don't get me wrong. I really think the private freerolls are a great way to build bankroll.

I'm on a private mission to play nothing but freerolls on Full Tilt for 1 year. I've been at it 156 days and now have $57.95 won through both private and Full Tilt freerolls.

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Just added another $0.19 to my "stack" in another Full Tilt Wepokeryou freeroll. At this rate, I may may cut several days off that age 113 goal.

Added to my $0.24 at Absolute and the $0.05 remaining in my account at UBNet, I'm thinking of turning pro.

nevadanick said:

There is ... it's called 'depositing'. ... ... Then there are those (like me) who will never deposit online (by choice).

Our only choice then is the micro games and freerolls of any kind. The options get pretty limited. There are 2 categories (imo) to the -0- starting crowd.

1. Those who win less than a $1 and run right off as soon as they can to a micro ring table to donk it all away in their one 'all-in' stab to 'strike it rich'. (then it's back to FR's).

2. Those (few) who can bank their winnings until they have the funds for putting BR management into play.

Build a small BR as Ferguson did in his Challenge to $10k. What? 9 months to get 'stable' at $6.50? And that was a PRO working on it. After you have a small BR, apply his strategy. It does work for those who want to build something from nothing, but it isn't from dimer MTT's with rebuys and addons.

As a matter of perspective, if you had put up .10c to make .19c, you've almost doubled your investment. OTOH, .19c from a $1.60 investment is <1.2% return and an unreasonable investment for that ROI, and the risk of the $1.60 buy-in cost if you did not make it ITM, which happens often in these donkfests.

A player who deposits $500 and invests $20 in an MTT to win $40 still gets the same 2x ROI, but they often scoff at the dimer player and the .19c win. It's the same 'double up' and no different than the depositor who can put up $5,000 in their account and wonder how someone could play for just a $40 win ... ... you could say it's in the 'eye of the be-holder' - in this case, it's in the 'eye of BR-holder'.

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Yeah, you know I'm not actually serious in complaining about it. It just hit me that I spent that much time and actually found myself holding on to make the money after I took a beat and almost was bubble boy. Then I realized... wait a second... what am I going to win? And it made me chuckle a little.

I've went through rolls at Ultimate Bet while learning the game. Few hundred dollars I figure. Then I said enough, if I'm going to play, I'm going to make my bankroll out of nothing.

Its frustrating sometimes, I often find myself pulling my debit card out and typing in numbers... but I wont learn the bankroll management concept as well unless I start it from nothing. And its bankroll management that destroyed my bankroll every time (Of course it wasnt bad play :joyman: ).

I've built a bankroll in less than a month to 7.79 at Full Tilt, and Ultimate Bet is coming around after I threw 5.50 of it away at the OFC event. I tell you what though... when I had deposited, the money didnt seem nearly as important as it does now, simply because theres so much less of it.

Cobryn said:

I've built a bankroll in less than a month to 7.79 at Full Tilt, and Ultimate Bet is coming around after I threw 5.50 of it away at the OFC event. I tell you what though... when I had deposited, the money didnt seem nearly as important as it does now, simply because theres so much less of it.

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On Full Tilt I'm winning more than $10 a month from nothing but freerolls. And I'm doing this a professed average (at best) player.

The real key to me is simply doing what you find in enjoyment in. Some folks will criticize what you are doing simply because they wouldn't find it enjoyable.

Find what makes you happy and do it.