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JEP712
Visionary
Silver Level
I re-read it a couple of times, and I think this is how they scramble the deck.
I think they use a computer and record an actually deck being shuffled and use the out come for an actually online poker deck.
My opinion is this:
A deck shuffled in real life is not as random as a deck "shuffled" virtually using a RNG. Many people who play poker in real life knows that similar cards come back out. When people shuffle, they tend to not mix up every card. Like when you have a board: A2345, and the next shuffle happens, and the section of the deck appears on the top, the new board would have cards similar to A2345. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it right, but that's the problem I see in this real life shuffle from this new method.
I think they use a computer and record an actually deck being shuffled and use the out come for an actually online poker deck.
My opinion is this:
A deck shuffled in real life is not as random as a deck "shuffled" virtually using a RNG. Many people who play poker in real life knows that similar cards come back out. When people shuffle, they tend to not mix up every card. Like when you have a board: A2345, and the next shuffle happens, and the section of the deck appears on the top, the new board would have cards similar to A2345. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it right, but that's the problem I see in this real life shuffle from this new method.
IcyBlueAce
Visionary
Platinum Level
This is just an easy way to promote a new poker site. What BS.
Panamajoe
Legend
Silver Level
Absolutely correct IMO. You will never simulate a person shuffling with machine or computer shuffling. Machines and computers don't get lazy nor sloppy.
For online purposes I want a truly random deal like poker star gives based on the most sophisticated random number generation available to science (not the pseudo RNG in yor computer).
Good gimmick though, I'll sign up, if the play is fun, and fair.
IcyBlueAce
Visionary
Platinum Level
The site looks pretty nice, you can see the machine here.
http://www.realdealpoker.com/see-it-in-action
IcyBlueAce
Visionary
Platinum Level
Looks like they are US based?? =O
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=75265796280&ref=search&sid=701016421.859896355..1
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=75265796280&ref=search&sid=701016421.859896355..1
RoyalFish
Rock Star
Silver Level
Nope, doesn't do anything for me. At best, it's just as random as a computer, and costs a hell of a lot more to operate. That's really their problem, not mine.
And as for requiring a player to decide to cut/no cut to deter bots...if you have bots who can play poker, you have bots who can decide to cut or not.
Agreed. Gimmick. Or more generously, just doesn't solve a problem I have.
RF
And as for requiring a player to decide to cut/no cut to deter bots...if you have bots who can play poker, you have bots who can decide to cut or not.
Agreed. Gimmick. Or more generously, just doesn't solve a problem I have.
RF
IcyBlueAce
Visionary
Platinum Level
Its just a gimmic to get the name out.:deal:
IcyBlueAce
Visionary
Platinum Level
Says who? The address posted is a US address..
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jdowneyed
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I actually met the card shuffler system inventor in Vegas at the Global Gaming Expo. It's always expected that when a new system or approach comes out that there's skepticism, but I sat down with Gene Gioia and it's really a solid approach to the game. As he explained it, with Random Number Generators - there's really no rhyme or reason for the cards that it deals to people. It's like a home game or casino game where the dealer just picks cards out of their heads and there's no way to audit or verify the fairness of the game. With the shuffler - and he's spent many years developing this - it's as if you were sitting in front of a dealer who is shuffling. Every hand can be audited and proven to be fair. Gene's tried to convince himself for years that poker sites offer a fair game, but so many ususual patterns occur with online poker versus a real life poker game. It's supposed to launch in March - so I guess I would say, don't knock it 'til you try it.
By the way - Gioia Systems - the inventor of the auto shuffler is based in US. The poker site is based in the UK. Gene said that US players will be eligible to play for promotions and really great prizes. Where it's legal to play for money - money plays.
Let's all just try it before we down it - it won't be too long before we can test it out anyways.
By the way - Gioia Systems - the inventor of the auto shuffler is based in US. The poker site is based in the UK. Gene said that US players will be eligible to play for promotions and really great prizes. Where it's legal to play for money - money plays.
Let's all just try it before we down it - it won't be too long before we can test it out anyways.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
I'm sorry, but unless it can replicate witty banter, eye rolling when the three seat forgets to put his blinds out for the fourt round straight and pitching short to douchebags for the lulz it just can't claim to work like a real live casino dealer.
End of story - unless what people really want to talk about is "ZOMGZ online poker is rigged" in which case... *facepalm*
End of story - unless what people really want to talk about is "ZOMGZ online poker is rigged" in which case... *facepalm*
RoyalFish
Rock Star
Silver Level
ldo. If there's a rhyme or reason, it's not random.
Other than statistical analysis, you mean? Which is how random number generators are tested?
Sorry. It's useless, at least to me.
RF
IcyBlueAce
Visionary
Platinum Level
New member and this is your first post? Seems fishy to me.
And no, it is not. Your still sitting in front of a screen, they can do anything they want to change up the game and how the cards come out, so this doesn't mean this site has an even less chance of being rigged than any other.
lektrikguy
Legend
Silver Level
I agree. Hard to believe if they have 1000 hands per hour that they'll do this. How many machines are they using?
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
They said it at the bottom of there home page i went to.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
^ this. If there's rhyme and reason to the cards you're getting from a live dealer they're doing their job wrong. That's not something we should be looking to replicate online.
Personally I think the system used by Full Tilt and other sites where there's no burn cards and the deck stub is constantly being shuffled is better than the live system. I'm a live game dealer and I still think that.
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Intense
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I agree 100%. As other stated in this board, they are just trying to promote there poker site. Other poker sites, all deal cards the same way and there has been no issues. Each card is randomly decided upon when being dealt. Hackers would have caught on by now, if big sites such as pokerstars and full tilt poker we're scamming there players by not making the cards dealt random.
Crummy
Legend
Silver Level
This video is dumb! Say you divide your cards in half..... then you take the time to take the top card of each deck and put it in a new pile, then repeat until your two piles are down to one...... That is all they are doing after each wash!
