The last straw -Pokerstars Rake increase-

This is it for me on PS, as some of you know the rake will increase the 26 of this month, PS has gone down hill for many years now i cant no longer support it.



What do you guys think about the news?

As someone from the US, I used to wish I could play on PokerStars. Now if online poker becomes regulated in my state I may just stick to other sites.

Even if PokerStars did return to the US I don't think I would join it.

I haven't seen what the increase is as of yet. Honestly everything increases with time your Starbucks coffee is not the same price as it was a year ago.... If it's not an unreasonable amount I am not worried it's also only in lower dollar MTT's is my understanding but could be wrong on that

The problem with continuing to increase rake over time is eventually it becomes impossible for anyone to profit from playing. Higher prices for goods and services overtime are usually somewhat balanced by higher earnings for consumers.

We need a poker site that is a co-op, run by poker players for poker players, until then we will get charged whatever we can bear and then some.

Pokerstars takes the piss. They get away with it too as everyone still plays there. (not me)

Lately it's all bad news, 888 lowers the guaranteed of the mtt low, now pokerstars raises the rake. This news affects me directly as a low mtt player. It seems that in the long run they would look for us to stop playing. 2018 every time they paint it worse. Hopefully it is not an irrational increase, and still be profitable to play these mtt that to my point of view was the only strong point nowadays of PS, now I do not even know how positive it has to play in this room.

It only affects buy in of $20 an below so this a test by them of what they can get away it. If it backfires as I hope it will they will revert back quickly.

They have not sent any official communication or set any price on how much it is going up by. It currently at 10% as is ACR and Party. If it goes up to 12.5% it probably would not be an issue. But if it is above that I think it will effect traffic negatively.


Once Party and ACR remain at 10% we as players have the power determine the outcome. I don't want to leave Stars but I will not pay absorbant fees when I can get the same game elsewhere for much less.


Anyone catch everybody's favortie player D Negs trying to rationalize the new changes for his employers. His logic sounds good but makes zero sense whatsoever. In their logic less players mean more rake which is fundametally flawed. He just made a speaking because he has to it is his job.


I know their thinking behind it though they are betting on their traffic not dropping enough to affect revenue plus with less players they have less tables and less strain on their resources like servers.


Interesting to see what happens it is a real test of market power that is about to occur. Will Stars be forced back down to 10% because of drop in traffic or will their competitors raise their rakes as well. Does Stars even care about a drop in traffic?


Just got to wait to see how this all plays out. I for one will not be paying 15% rake for a micro to low MTT when other rooms are at 10%.

To keep a positive mindset the one silver lining or good news for everyone here is that Cardchat Freerolls are free, No rake!

As for raising the rake in the micro/low buy-in games, I don't think it really matters to most micro players as they seem to risk their tournament life on any two cards, basically they throw their money away as it is and a small increase in rake won't make a difference in traffic IMO.I'll still continue to play there, some of the GTD prize pools of some of the games are worth it.

https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/i...g-161006.shtml

Ok so doing the math on hypers it's meaningless even for a $11 hyper mtt.
Curent rake is 4.72%, so people pay $11 to entry and 10.48 will go into the tournament prizepool. With a increase to 5% rake goes up to 0.55 from 0.52 and people still pay $11 but only 10.45 goes into prizepool of the mtt. For a total of 1000 players in a mtt the prizepool of a hyper mtt will go down from $10480 to $10450. So not a really huge deal.
In this case if first place takes 20% of the prizepool his prize goes down from $2096 to $2090

No expert ; But $11 Mtts are raked at $1 [ 4.72 % ? ] and totals more than a 2nd place finish. Should we hold our concerns till the rake totals more than 1st

Hyper turbos are raked lower, and is compared to buy-in not the place finished.

I do not agree with your point of view, they are not going to turn back, unfortunately. That a company like PS leader in the market reversing your decision is not something that simply happens, all of its decisions are disallowed in the future. So the change came to stay, they have already analyzed the consequences. And as always, they take out those who have less. I just hope that the increase is not significant.

It reminds me of Arsenal fans and the protests against Wenger. The only way to combat these changes is stop playing on the site and play elsewhere.

It would take an insane rake raise to send the rec players to another site.

PokerStars is the top name period.

Pokerstars has costs staff government regulation PCA 2019 giveaway huge! Overlays look at their anniversary sunday million recently 1.2 million overlay they are a business not a charity

From what i read the rake will increase significantly but we will see soon enough.

I have not played on Poker Stars for over a year now and this rake increase only proves I was right.
Their reward scheme, those stupid chests, is a joke, I can remember when PS actually gave 30% rake, wow that seems like a million years ago.
I am lucky as I still have a 30% rake account with Betfair. I hate the software but in the end the rake makes me, a not very good player, just able to break even, which aint bad for playing something I love.

New rake is 12% for MTT $20 and under so increase by 2 %.

They have not increased buy in amount so everything remains same price wise they adjusted the contribution to the prize pool.


Example $2.20 tourney is $2 the prize pool and $0.20 to rake. It will still be $2.20 to enter but $1.96 to prize pool and $0.24 to rake.

I guess it's how you look at it, a 2% total increase is a 20% increase in rake from the previous amount of 10%.

It sounds pretty significant when you think of it as a 20% increase.

Have not seen magic 612 on pokerstars in a while this u tube clip man can not stop laughing

You Tube

Gotta change my strategy next time I play OMG

Yes 20% increase is a lot, lets see how the community takes this.

A rec player won't even notice the difference.

There will be a lot of talk; but that's all it will be.

Business as usual.

ooks like it's time to find another place to play.

Similar story here, I was so annoyed at the last rake increase and change from a reasonable rakeback and reward scheme to the daft chests, challenges and star awards, non of which provided any interest to participate in hence effectively further increasing the cost, so I practically stopped paying. Before that I was motivated to try and maintain silver star and collect the fpp and vpp rewards and play the silver star freerolls and cardschat 100vpp $$ added buyins.

Unfortunately after rational group it was clear the new ownership was less interested in poker and preferred to develop sports betting, casino games and even more chance variants of poker like spin and go. In my opinion they were damaging the two biggest brands in poker and should have kept the original core business focused and developed the other things separately if they really wanted to expand in those directions as I repeatedly told them in the surveys which I took the time to complete for them.
Still it is their business choice, if it works for them then so be it, I'll have to do something else with my two cents.

it doesn't sounds good, but personally it has no effect for me because i don't play at cash tables where rake is quite relevant.