Full Tilt poker bots pokerjoda and blondini9 active 11 months

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Hi

Since all players should be aware of whether they are playing human opponents or not, this is an update on the confirmed pokerbots pokerjoda and Blondini9 operating at Full Tilt.

Both are unfortunately still in operation.

Both bots operate for approximately 12hrs a day and only play one game at a time in order to remain low profile and to appear as human-like as possible. Interestingly the BOTS play opposite 12 hour shifts: pokerjoda from 16:30 to 04:30 (EST) approx; Blondini9 from 04:30 to 16:40 (EST) approx.

The pokerjoda pokerbot has been in operation robbing and cheating Full Tilt players since March 2008 and has amassed $90,001 in profit to date.

The Blondini9 pokerbot has been in operation robbing and cheating Full Tilt players since June 2008 and has amasses $31,446 in profit to date.

The pokerjoda pokerbot ONLY plays $105.00 Hold'em Limit Heads Up Sit & Gos (6003 games to date); the Blondini9 pokerbot ONLY plays $55.00 Hold'em Limit Heads Up Sit & Gos (3633 games to date).

If anyone would like to confirm to themselves that these pokerbots are indeed pokerbots, all you have to do is sit down with either of them and sit out. While sitting out, the bot will continue to play you as if you were still there (eg. folding its small blind occasionally, even though it could raise and take the big blind).

As many poker players as possible need to be made aware, and the poker community especially needs to be informed of Full Tilt's lack of action.

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So why hasn't this been reported?
 
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How often is this happening on other sites?
 
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How often is this happening on other sites?

Not sure. Its easier to run bots for limit, I don't play limit so I am more concerned with super users :p
 
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I have been writing Full Tilt for weeks regarding it and only get generic form responses -- which is not only frustrating but insulting.

Today I was banned from the Full Tilt forum for reporting the problem there.

So this leads me to believe they condone the bots?? Which makes no sense. Wouldn't they want to maintain a reputation as a reputable site??
 
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i have experienced what i thought were bots before in tournaments and sng's but thanks for the info now i know that they really do exist. that is a joke if you ask me. as if FTP doesn't already steal enough of your money...
 
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I looked up both of them and neither are at a table at the moment. Good to know, though. Like I ever play that high of stakes. LOL
 
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Just curious. Are they from S. Korea?
 
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why wouldnt they play higher stakes if it was really a bot
 
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[ ] conclusive evidence that those two players are bots
 
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[ ] conclusive evidence that those two players are bots

The guy should come out then and post somewhere. It really is conclusive enough for me. That player plays nothing but LIMIT HU, perfect spot for a bot imo. The volume that is put in is ridiculous. Anyways, once these guys are banned they will show up under new names.
 
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I must have missed it, where is the proof that they are bots?
 
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This is very frustrating. I want to play poker at a safe site. Now I find out that there is a good chance that my money could be scammed out of me. It's so hard to find a good live game where I live. Online is very convienant. I just have to be more cautious.
 
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you would think they would ban these bots by now...but maybe its upper level execs at ftp or little green men....just stay away from them and youhave nothing t worry about....
 
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I must have missed it, where is the proof that they are bots?


whos gonna play outright, 1 table at a time for 12 hours also with never playing any other random tourney. You know any poker player who does that?
The players has bot tendencies.. maybe when someone sits out they don't collect the blinds and will fold a junk hand. That alone tells me BOT
 
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Looks like they are gone looked up both players and are not in there data base>>>HMMMMMMMM
 
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wow, pretty sick. that must be some good coding for the bots to play so well.

still, would u guys rather play skilled opponents headsup or a bot?
 
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Well after reading this information I decided to google the names and a lot of speculations are out there. No way to no for sure if a player is a bot. You don't have to chat at the table and they don't appear to belong to any forums. Makes you wonder though how some people make that large of a profit. JMHO< X
 
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I've asked Full Tilt numerous times over the last 2 weeks to simply have one of their team play either the blondini9 or pokerjoda poker bot, then sit out and watch how either bot will continue to play normally -- not raising and taking the big blind each time it is in the small blind for example.

I've been getting generic response after generic response. And EACH TIME they NEVER ONCE MENTION my point re: sitting out vs. the bots.

Here is the latest e-mail I received from Full Tilt today (my notes in the brackets):

Hello Dan,

Thank you for your email.

I'm afraid there's only so many ways we can send you this response, and if it appeared as a generic one, then I apologize. (So there's only so many ways they can response without referring to the issue at hand specifically and directly -- they're doing a good job so far).

We take all complaints we receive seriously, and your complaint about these players is no exception and it is being reviewed with the care and attention it deserves. (YAWN! generic manure.)

As I stated in my previous mail, if any breach of site rules is found then the appropriate action will be taken. (I guess pokerbots aren't a breach of site rules then.)


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You can't beat the bots over time.

KyFriend on the Full Tilt Forum wrote: "Hey heres an idea, study the way the POKERBOTS bet/raise/hands played ect. and do the same thing. Feel the BOT, be the BOT."

That's a good idea but unfortunately pokerjoda and Blondini9 are Polaris pokerbots:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_(poker_bot)

Programmed using the powerful Nash equilibrium solution concept:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium

The concept is so powerful because even if you know your opponent's strategy inside-out, there is no edge you can gain by changing your own strategy.

From the first link, "On July 23-24, 2007, Polaris played against poker professionals Phil Laak and Ali Eslami at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Vancouver, B.C. The competition consisted of 4 duplicate matches, with 500 hands per match. In each duplicate match, the same cards were dealt to both pairs of players, human and bot, but with the seating reversed. This meant that if Polaris had terrible hands in one half of the match against Phil, the other copy of Polaris would be getting great cards in the other half of the match against Ali. This was done to reduce variance, or "luck factor", as neither team could say they got the worse set of cards. The two players were in separate rooms to eliminate the chance of the audience revealing information about the hands, which would be especially problematic in a duplicate match. Laak had previously played the Polaris predecessor Vexbot in 2005 in a prior tournament. Laak admitted to luck playing a part in his victory over Vexbot.

After roughly 16 hours of play over two days, Polaris tied the first round, won the second and lost the last two. One of the lost matches was against a learning variant which tried to switch between a few styles of play, while all of the remainder were against large, static, randomized sets of rules which approximate a pair of Nash equilibrium strategies. Laak and Eslami split 10,000 for the two wins, and 2,500 for the draw.

On July 3-6, 2008, Polaris competed against six human professional poker players in the Second Man-Machine Poker Championship, held in Las Vegas at the 2008 Gaming Life Expo. Polaris defeated the human players with 3 wins, 2 losses and 1 tie. Each of the six sessions was a duplicate match of 500 hands against two different players, resulting in six thousands hands played. Across all six sessions, Polaris won 195 big blinds. The version of Polaris used in the 2008 match was much stronger than the 2007 version, both in the quality of the component strategies and in its ability to learn which component strategy to use."

All threads on this topic on the Full Tilt forum are being locked by a moderator (IABoomer) who is either:

1. a bot operator
2. in collusion with a bot operator
3. a bot sympathizer (weird -- i know)
4. simply an immature kid (this is most likely answer)

Here are the previous threads on the topic in chronological order:

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/who-is-blondini9-t70535.html
http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/blondini9-and-pokerjoda-are-polaris-pokerbots-t74546.html
http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.co...bot-and-blondini9-pokerbot-update-t74849.html

I've been banned from the Full Tilt forum for reporting the bots and can't even view these threads from my IP -- so they may have been deleted now.
 
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You would think these guys would be a little smarter about what they are doing.. but no its blatantly obvious. I hope all their funds are seized.

http://www.officialpokerrankings.co...lts/7DA9CBCA94ED4F0291D231DF3BAE744F.html?t=2

Doing a google search it seems like someone brought this up at FULLTILT FORUMS but was banned, however FTRIcK said they will look into it. IDK how FT can claim this isn't botting.
The OPR ranking's prove nothing :confused:
[ ] conclusive evidence that those two players are bots
I concur :D
I must have missed it, where is the proof that they are bots?
Proof may still be on the way, It may have got delayed in the mail. :p
 
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Proof may still be on the way, It may have got delayed in the mail. :p

The "proof" is that they don't raise your BB when you are sitting out in a heads up match.

To the OP, how much did you lose to these two account? :p
 
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Honestly full tilt seems to be more oriented in the other direction - where they seem to lay down the ban hammer a little quicker than some might like. Folding while somebody sits out is odd if it is the case (would be interested to see how you know this unless you rail "it" alot) but doesn't mean for sure it is a bot (i guess somebody could be nice and let somebody get reconnected). You'd think if it was a bot then it would be piss easy to write a script whereby you open 100% of btns when the other player is sitting out and it would be a pretty careless thing to miss. As for playing long sessions without playing anything else that doesn't prove anything at all. Tons of players never bother playing mtts/cash if they are sng grinders coz that is what they do. And plenty of players play for hours upon hours on end.

Not saying it isn't a bot, but i don't think your evidence is irrefutable proof either.
 
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