FT SuperStack

I'm not a believer in the whole "online poker is rigged" thing (and I guess that's where this thread should be)...but sometimes you just have to wonder.

Just now playing in the SStack they move a new guy (8k in chips) into the BB about 30 seconds from the break. Blinds r 30/60. MP raises to 240 - 2 from him goes all in for 2700. BB insta calls and original raiser folds.

All in turns over Pckt A's...BB turns over Q6c. BB turns a flush. Immeditely the table breaks up. This all took about 15 seconds to go down...so I didn't even get his name.

Just seems funny.

Then, of course, this happens. Make 4xBB raise PF. 1/3 Pot Flop. All in on turn. Guy calls everyone.

Sucks man, but it's just variance and bad play. Don't sweat it and just try to stick through the bad beats.

Have to remember that KK isnt a given hand, sure statistically before the flop its a high winner but anything can occur after the flop...

Guess thats why poker is a form of 'gambling'...you bet big with favorable hands, that in the long run (as long as you dont go broke) should pay you off more handsomely than your losses

I usually avoid playing against people with bigger stacks than me. This way I can't be busted out when a single bad beat happens. Try it !

I even fold KK preflop when re-raised by a bigger stack but I can try to eliminate some shortstacks with 22 if their stack is less than 15% of mine

BTW, KK vs A7 was played bad if your real goal was to make him fold on flop or turn. You basically convinced him that you are bluffing with AK/AQ and his one pair is good. But if you wanted a call by a worse hand - you did it right and you should be happy and don't care about the result..

marknz88 said:

Have to remember that KK isnt a given hand, sure statistically before the flop its a high winner but anything can occur after the flop...

Guess thats why poker is a form of 'gambling'...you bet big with favorable hands, that in the long run (as long as you dont go broke) should pay you off more handsomely than your losses

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Also remember that NO hand is a made hand.... AA, KK, AKs/o. Any hand can be crushed once all of the other cards of the board are played out, which is why you need to play your hand correctly. The reason there is the whole "Is Online Poker Rigged with AA" conspiracy is because people will try to play those premium pairs slow and then get pissed when their opponent got to the flop for cheap and then hit a hidden monster and the AA loses.

Pafkata said:

I usually avoid playing against people with bigger stacks than me. This way I can't be busted out when a single bad beat happens. Try it !

I even fold KK preflop when re-raised by a bigger stack but I can try to eliminate some shortstacks with 22 if their stack is less than 15% of mine

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This is a terrible theory unless you have EXTREMELY good reads on people, because you are missing out on so many opportunities to double up(the only way you can double up through a player is if their stack is more than or equal to yours...). I'm not sure if you are mainly playing cash or tourney's, but neither one would advocate that. If you are folding KK to a re-raise, what are you calling a re-raise with??? Just AA? HUGE LEAK in your play. If I was playing with you for any amount of time, I would start re-raising you any time that you raised, because it would be a given that you would fold with anything but AA. You really need to change your game plan...

Did you guys skip past my original post? I really wasn't concerned w/ the hand w/ the K's...just figured I'd show how I got knocked out of the tourney that I was talking about above.

I have just sat a watch another CCer play a super stack 10+1 game... The blinds hit 340 170 or something ... The whole table where fishing it was the worst play i have ever seen.... The CCer i was watching hit AK suited and pushed (5.5k) and of course somebody called with QJ .... Flop JJ4 ... that was him history... Really shocked me that people can play like that...

I had 7k got 66 big stack 40k+ raises I go all in he calls

Shows 44 hits the 4 I'm out again bad times

Sorry about that baker. Yea, I think a lot of people didn't really talk about it because it is seen all of the time. There are a couple reasons I see here...one being that I am assuming that this is a fairly low buy-in tournament, so you are going to get a lot of people in there that aren't very smart when it comes to playing poker. Another could be the ego that some of these low level players get when they have a big stack compared to everyone else...they feel like they have to call everyone's all-in's because they can somehow always crush them just because of their stack size(we all know this isn't true).

sharkyo01 said:

I have just sat a watch another CCer play a super stack 10+1 game... The blinds hit 340 170 or something ... The whole table where fishing it was the worst play i have ever seen.... The CCer i was watching hit AK suited and pushed (5.5k) and of course somebody called with QJ .... Flop JJ4 ... that was him history... Really shocked me that people can play like that...

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I'm guessing more on the hand of "something" because I don't think I have ever seen 170-340 blinds.... are they only going up 10 chips everytime they raise a blind level? lol, that would take forever!

absoluthamm said:

This is a terrible theory unless you have EXTREMELY good reads on people, because you are missing out on so many opportunities to double up(the only way you can double up through a player is if their stack is more than or equal to yours...). I'm not sure if you are mainly playing cash or tourney's, but neither one would advocate that. If you are folding KK to a re-raise, what are you calling a re-raise with??? Just AA? HUGE LEAK in your play. If I was playing with you for any amount of time, I would start re-raising you any time that you raised, because it would be a given that you would fold with anything but AA. You really need to change your game plan...

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I forgot to mention that I usually avoid playing against bigger stacks in the middle stages of tournaments when I am well above the average stack size and I don't really need to double up... There's no point in risking your tournament life with AQ or KK preflop when you have 3 times the average stack.. Does it sound right for you now?

Of course I call with suited connectors and pocket pairs to see an cheap flop against bigger stacks, but I never go all in preflop without AA or AK if I already have twice the average stack.

I prefer to play 10 hands when 60-70% favorite risking only 10-15% of my chips than playing one hand risking all of my chips and being 80-90% favorite.

Pafkata said:

I forgot to mention that I usually avoid playing against bigger stacks in the middle stages of tournaments when I am well above the average stack size and I don't really need to double up... There's no point in risking your tournament life with AQ or KK preflop when you have 3 times the average stack.. Does it sound right for you now?

Of course I call with suited connectors and pocket pairs to see an cheap flop against bigger stacks, but I never go all in preflop without AA or AK if I already have twice the average stack.

I prefer to play 10 hands when 60-70% favorite risking only 10-15% of my chips than playing one hand risking all of my chips and being 80-90% favorite.

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The first part of your post makes sense, I understand not risking your whole stack pre-flop with those hands depending on the opponent. But later, you said that you would do it with AK! AK is not even close to being a made hand! In fact, if you were to put that AK against KK pre-flop, the KK wins 69% of the time. This is a problem I see with a lot of players is that they WAY overvalue AK, when it doesn't hit the board, which will happen 1 time out of 3, you have nothing better than Ace high.

absoluthamm said:

I'm guessing more on the hand of "something" because I don't think I have ever seen 170-340 blinds.... are they only going up 10 chips everytime they raise a blind level? lol, that would take forever!

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Its weird but ftp does have 170/340 blind level as well as 140/280.

marginal said:

Its weird but ftp does have 170/340 blind level as well as 140/280.

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I don't see it. I checked a bunch of different levels of tourney's and didn't see either blind level...

Super stack and deep stack tourneys I guess.

Interesting. Good to know

I agree - I also try to avoid the big stacks. Especially on FTP, where they seem to outdraw you on the river more often than they should.

absoluthamm said:

Interesting. Good to know

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Saves me posting a Screen shot of it... But its a super stack with long blinds...

So