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Right now I have zero volume because I have no money plus I live in a super-repressive household, where they won't even allow me to play poker at all. So next year when I graduate college I'm moving away to Colombia with my mom, where I'll be able to play all of those mythical sites of legend like Stars, Fulltilt, PKR, etc. :D

So, I've been shopping around for ROW sites to play in once I'm free to play them; looking for the most desirable ones, in terms of rake and rakeback/cashback programs (doesn't seem to be much of a problem in general with ROW sites -- none of them seem to be super-ghey and offer no cashback at all like Bovada), but primarily in terms of fishiness. Stars is easily the best in terms of everything else, but based on post-BF reviews and what I've seen railing the site it's primarily a tournament site (there's over 7 times more tournament traffic than cash traffic), and it's an effing reg-infested nitfest. So to me, the main appeal would be that there's plenty of juicy traffic in non-NLHE games I play that people still have no clue how to play in general (primarily: HU 5cd, HU stud, and HU FLHE) since there's plenty of traffic in literally EVERYTHING at Stars. Otherwise, I don't think there's a ton of reason for me to play at Stars.

888 tops everyone's list for fishiness, and some railing confirms that it is indeed even more ridiculously, horridly fishy than Bovada (and more crucially, unlike Bovada it actually has VIP cashback so you can extract twice as much money out of the fishies :D), but according to Marg its software is so horrid that it's just not worth playing despite its overall juiciness. Reviewers though can't seem to agree on what the second most fish poker site is, though -- different iPoker skins (most commonly featured are william hill, Titan and Bet365) get wildly different rankings depending on who you ask, some think bwin is awesome, some don't, etc. So, I'm kinda confused. :confused:

Anybody can help there?
 
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888's rake is lolbad too btw, and its rewards scheme you hype up is shit.

ROW don't have it as great as Americans would like to think imo, stars and full tilt are the only options really when it comes to software + player pool.
 
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888's rake is lolbad too btw, and its rewards scheme you hype up is shit.
Better than none, which is what Bovada has.

Rake seems straight-up unbeatable at the micros at 888, but higher levels it seems pretty normal, and the level of play looks lolbad compared to low and mid stakes elsewhere.
 
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The rewards at 888 are marginally better than none.

Trust me, i've flicked around the sites far too much (ask acky!) and stars is the best and possibly only option.
 
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The rewards at 888 are marginally better than none.
Really? I mean like, VIP status means 27% cashback if I'm not mistaken; and if you put in a lot of volume it's achievable. And if you play super-shorthanded or HU that 27% goes a LONG way, because of the sheer amount of rake you pay.

Like seriously, even just at 6max 27% rakeback boosts a standard WR by 1/3 or more.
 
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I'm not sure what stakes you play but for 27% cashback you have to rake around 30k~ per year

Also, pretty sure its a max of 6 tables...
 
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I'm not sure what stakes you play but for 27% cashback you have to rake around 30k~ per year
I play micros now, but I'm planning for when I'm grinding 50NL-plus full time in 2 or 3 years or whatever. That's when my hourly will actually mean something besides being a progress tracker (and thus when rakeback will become really important).

And, I play 4-6 tables at 6max and 1 at HU, so that's no issue. I can't mass-table, my dyslexic brain can't handle it. :D I 8-tabled FR play money at FTP once just to try it, and I failed miserably. I kept timeout-folding hands.
 
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Rake is easy to beat on 888 cause the play is so bad (only played up to 10NL on their though). Even so the rakeback sucks balls and I would go with Stars. Bit of table selecting goes just as far in terms of juiciness.
 
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Rake is easy to beat on 888 cause the play is so bad (only played up to 10NL on their though). Even so the rakeback sucks balls and I would go with Stars. Bit of table selecting goes just as far in terms of juiciness.
Wouldn't 888 have the definite advantage in fishiness in less-fishy levels like 50NL or 100NL, etc.?

Like, at 50NL every game I've seen on Stars is an effing nitfest. In the dozens of tables open there at all hours, I couldn't find fishier tables than the six or so 50NL 6max tables open at FTP at the same time.
 
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Anyone have any feedback regarding iPoker, PKR, ongame, bwin, etc.?

Also, bwin's part of Partygaming. Do they segregate the fish like Party does?
 
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I only have one thing to say. I really thought PKR was the worst poker site Ive ever played on in my entire life. I DO NOT like the software at all. I think it was more like a video game than a poker site. I mean you spend so much time customizing your player. Hats, jeans etc. WTF is that all about. At the end of the day, its just like wasting your time doing anything but playing. Horrible.
 
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I'm sorry man I don't get it, I loved stars. You are planning to move to where you can play on pokerstars and you're asking what's the best site. Ugh, IDK of any site that compares in selection, integrity, and volume.
 
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Beat 'em up with constant min-raises from a slightly more open range.
 
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888's rewards scheme you hype up is shit.

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AGREED! (where the fk did you get your info. from Aleksei???)
Rake seems straight-up unbeatable at the micros at 888,
This is another statement I find funny. How would you know? Have you played on there?
My prior experience on 888 micro cash is that the play is so RIDICULOUSLY Loose/retarded that if you can't win on there with at least twice the winrate on Stars you are just the sh1ts. (they are that bad! my winrate on there was 8x higher than on Stars in FR micro cash & that is for ~40k hands... before they put a limit on number of tables you could play on there).

For a new player who is playing micro cash, I would highly recommend 888. BUT for someone who wants to play more than their max. limit then maybe not (I think the max. number of tables you can play on there is 6... not positive about that as I stopped playing on there ~2yrs. ago because of the table limit).
 
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AGREED! (where the fk did you get your info. from Aleksei???)
Basically went to the site and did the math myself.

I'm not saying it's GOOD, but just the fact they have one at all is a bonus compared to the fishiest US site (Bovada), which has NO rakeback whatsoever.

Like, 4-tabling 50NL 6max you get an extra $4-6 an hour just from having 27% rakeback (assuming standard 5BB/100 winrate). Which means you can make a ton more with rakeback (any rakeback) than without, compared to level of fishiness. Say a 50NL Stars reg was good enough to play 100NL at Bovada or 888; he'd make a ton more at 888.

This is another statement I find funny. How would you know? Have you played on there?
nah I was just going on how high it is.
 
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