What I mean is that if you have knowledge and the skill to use even the basic strategy, you will be a constant winner in the long run than if you were playing simply on luck alone. DPs game differs, so in order to be a consistant winner, again in the long run, you would have to know at least a basic strategy, how to adjust your strategy against different opponents, etc. Just like in other game of poker, skill will always overcome luck.
As for the folding to win strategy. There are times where folding is the sound strategy to move up the ladder in an MTT. Just like in a game of Hold 'em, there are times where folding to increase your chance of a bigger pay is a sound strategy. The only difference is you wont win a hold 'em game by just folding, but you can when you play DP. Why? Because the games are different. I've won an MTT by just folding on DP and I think DJ11 has done so also. I've also grinded out a number of quick play games with a folding strategy. The really big difference between DP and Hold 'em is that in hold 'em you are play your opponents at that table. Those are the players you have to beat. In DP, its not just about playing the players at the table, but you also have to play better than those who are playing the same hand as you are. Hence duplicate poker. There can be up to 2-6 or more players playing the same hand as you and these are the players that you have to beat.
Originally Posted by jph6696
I'm sorry, but I think you are way off, "the skill of consitant winning" does that even make sense, Skills are reading ppl/knowing when to let go of hands, then you win .
But you did well with the $10 when you did know what you were doing, so you were winning on luck then, right? The game doesnt have more or less 'luck' than a regular holdem game. Its still based on probabilty. And finally, you turning $10 into $30 by not knowing what you were doing is based on 'luck' but you lost it when you got used to the game? Thats either because you a) ran into some bad 'luck' or b) you failed to adjust to figure out the basic strategy to win [consistanly].
Anyway, Im not trying to argue or anything. This is just my view on DP. Like I said earlier, its a hit or miss game. Either you like it or you dont. There is nothing wrong with either one.
Here is my basic Duplicate Poker Strategy Guide for MTTs:
One thing I noticed while playing again is that normal NLHE strategies will not work. The reason is you aren't just playing the person across from you or the other players at the table, you are also playing those being dealt the same cards as you. If you are playing an MTT, the way you advance into the next level is if you meet the Line Rank requirements. The Line Rank is your rank vs the other players playing the same cards as you. MTT will go onto the next round after half of the players are eliminated after a certain amount of hands. Line Rank players change during each level.
So, lets say its a 6 handed table and there are 6 players playing the same hand as you are. The session is 6 hands and in order to advance you have be in the top 3/6 Line Rank. Remember, though, you dont advance by beating your table but by outranking the players in your Line Rank. Honestly, the best strategy in this early stage is just to fold you hands unless you AA, KK, QQ. I raise big with these hands. Hands like AK or smaller pairs, I'll limp and see a board. You want to get paid for you hands because you will earn Net Total Chips (NTC). NTCs are good when you advance into the next round because A)The bigger your NTC, the higher you are in the Line Rank and B)it acts like a cushion. You can lose a small pot, but not be at a negative NTC. What this means is if you're NTC is still higher then the other players in your Line Rank, then your line rank position wont change. However if you negative NTC is lower then another players, your Line Rank will drop. If your NTC exceeds less than 3x the starting stack, you are eliminated so watch out for that.
If your Line Rank is within the zone to move up the ranks, I wouldn't stress playing hand. The downfall is if other players in your Line Rank play the hand and win, you might get pushed down a rank. If you are outside of the Line Rank requirements, then you might have to play hand.
You can move up in Link Rank 2 ways: A)You win a pot and your NTC total is bigger than the other players in the Line Rank who played and won the same hand. B)Your opponents lose a hand and earn negative NTC. Its pretty much vice versa for moving down a rank.
The most important think to do while you are playing is TAKE PLAYER NOTES. This is very crucial because in the later stages because it'll be the deciding factors in how you play a hand.
Somethings to look for:
-Who likes to chase their draws
-Who will call on a draw if given proper odds
-Who will call down with any pair
-Who raises PF and with what range of hands
-Who reraises PF and with what range of hands and how much they raise
-Who folds if they dont hit the board, but will reraise if they have any pair and how much they raise
-How they play their hands PF and post flop
Remember you're playing the table in order to earn NTC and you're also playing those in the Line Rank to make sure you maintain or increase your position in the rankings. As a bonus, you can also see who is in your opponents Line Rank.
Lets say Im playing player X in a heads up game. My opponent has Player Y and Player Z in their Line Rank. I am player A and have Player B and Player C in my Line Rank. Top 2/3 will advance.
notes on X are:
-(re)Raises PF with any A, KK, QQ, JJ
-Will limp in with ATC, only calls a PFR with J high hand or better or any pair.
-Will call down with at least 2nd pair, but raises with top pair
-Does not bet out on draws
-Folds if he misses the flop
notes on Y and Z are:
-They call any PF raise
-They call with any pair
-They raise big with top pair
-They do not chase draws.
notes on B and C are:
-They raise 5x Blinds with any Ace
-They call with any pair
-They chase flush draws
-Player C bets out on draws
I am dealt Ah2h and your opponent checks. I would check it here and see a cheap flop. There is a very good chance my opponent is playing ATC and will fold if I raise. Also, I know B and C are going to raise with the exact same hand. So, if they miss and have to fold on the flop, they will have a bigger negative NTC.
The flop is 7h 2d 9h.
My opponent checks, I bet out half pot with my pair of 2s and my opponent check raises me the minimum. Now, I know my opponent has top pair with his check-raise. Now, I have to decide if I want to call or fold. Well according to my player notes, I know that players Y and Z have bet the flop big with their top pair. And I know that players B and C are going to call that bet with their flush draw. And there is a good chance that C will push all in on this flop with their draw. So, if the flush draw doesn't hit they will lose more chips and be a greater negative NTC and I will move up in ranks. As folding or calling the raise, I would call here to see if I improve on the turn. If I dont, I know the players in the Line Rank didnt improve either. So, now I can fold a turn bet and lose a lot less then my Line Rank opponents because I know they will call a turn bet chasing their draws. If they miss on the river and they do not improve their hand, I might lose the pot to my table opponent, but I will be a higher rank than my Line Rank opponents (they will have a greater negative NTC) and this is what moves me onto the next round. The downfall is the draw does hit, I might not get a lot of action from my opponent unless they have at least two pair. So, even if I do win my opponents will have won a much larger NTC and move higher in the rankings. The good news is I can use my NTC as a buffer in the next hand.
Originally Posted by jph6696
I done well with the ten bucks. And thats when I had no clue whats was on the go , as i got used the the game, it came clear to me , that I could never make the money from this game like I did from playing holdem , Its involves way way more luck than NORMAL TRUE poker, Oyeh the 10 bucks that I turned Into 30 by not knowing what I was doing, was lost when I finally got used to the game