Lo-Dog
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
For the last couple months I have really been watching the cards after I fold and noting all the times that nothing came up for me. It helps me avoid tilt on the few times I fold a marginal (or completely crappy) hand and it hits big.
I may get flamed for this but I think you have to play hands like this once in a while. If you have a tight image and throw in some hands that dorkus would say fold preflop to, and you hit the flop, no one is going to put you on having those cards and lots of money should come your way.
What does Doyle say in his commercial, 'Don't be afraid to go out on a limb cause thats where the fruit is'.
Anyway I am not advocating playing like a donk just throwing in some hands you might not normally play if the price is right and/or you are a much better player post flop than your opponents.
hmmm does my reply really have much to do with you post, not much, but I started a rant and then I finished it! lol
I may get flamed for this but I think you have to play hands like this once in a while. If you have a tight image and throw in some hands that dorkus would say fold preflop to, and you hit the flop, no one is going to put you on having those cards and lots of money should come your way.
What does Doyle say in his commercial, 'Don't be afraid to go out on a limb cause thats where the fruit is'.
Anyway I am not advocating playing like a donk just throwing in some hands you might not normally play if the price is right and/or you are a much better player post flop than your opponents.
hmmm does my reply really have much to do with you post, not much, but I started a rant and then I finished it! lol
blankoblanco
plays poker on hard mode
Silver Level
Reminds me of Mark Seif in a play in the US poker Championship. For whatever reason, he decided to call a pre-flop raise with 2-6 offsuit, (raiser had pocket Qs). Long story short, by the turn, the board was something like 4 9 6 6. Seif had made trips and ended up taking all of the other guy's chips, cause, man, how do you see that coming? I don't necessarily advocate his move... I mean... 2-6 offsuit? That makes 5-7 suited look good. I was like "wtf?" Was interesting though.
Lo-Dog
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
combuboom said:
2-6 is the new AA lol
Was watching the UK poker championships and Raymer called a pre-flop raise with 2 6. Flop was something like 2 Q 9 and his opponent had top pair good kicker and put in a decent raise. Raymer calls with his pair of 2's
. Turn is another 2. Board looks innocent enough so the other guy bets pretty big, Raymer calls. River is a six, other guy raises, Raymer goes all in. Huge pot cause the guy couldnt put him on 2 6 but I couldnt believe it when he called the flop bet with 2's.I think it was 6 handed at this point.
ChuckTs
Legend
Silver Level
Lo-Dog said:For the last couple months I have really been watching the cards after I fold and noting all the times that nothing came up for me. It helps me avoid tilt on the few times I fold a marginal (or completely crappy) hand and it hits big.
I may get flamed for this but I think you have to play hands like this once in a while. If you have a tight image and throw in some hands that dorkus would say fold preflop to, and you hit the flop, no one is going to put you on having those cards and lots of money should come your way.
What does Doyle say in his commercial, 'Don't be afraid to go out on a limb cause thats where the fruit is'.
Anyway I am not advocating playing like a donk just throwing in some hands you might not normally play if the price is right and/or you are a much better player post flop than your opponents.
hmmm does my reply really have much to do with you post, not much, but I started a rant and then I finished it! lol
That's something I save for cash games, but even so, I'm never raising utg with this hand.
This was a sng, and I never gamble with hands like this in sngs unless i can get in from a blind because I just don't have the chips or the time to recoup a loss with this type of hand.
Though i do agree with the brunson theory of suited connectors - they are a great money maker when they connect, but they should be used very rarely in tournaments IMO.
I just thought i'd post this would-be straight flush...i realize i shouldn't have called
Lo-Dog
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Hey Chuck, I wasnt saying that you should have called, or that it would be in any way the right call, just wanted to hijack your thread and point out you don't have to be a donk to make calls with similar hands just ballsy.
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penny144
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Crappy hands
This is seen all the time in those freerolls, people calling with basically nothing in there hands and hit on the turn or the river. But you do need to play these hands sometimes and it does pay off.
I prefer to play the tight aggressive still, but sometimes I see myself playing these hands too. Especially if the 2's are hot and the 5's let's say...
Anyways my two cents...
This is seen all the time in those freerolls, people calling with basically nothing in there hands and hit on the turn or the river. But you do need to play these hands sometimes and it does pay off.
I prefer to play the tight aggressive still, but sometimes I see myself playing these hands too. Especially if the 2's are hot and the 5's let's say...
Anyways my two cents...
Dorkus Malorkus
HELLO INTERNET
Silver Level
Lo-Dog said:I may get flamed for this but I think you have to play hands like this once in a while. If you have a tight image and throw in some hands that dorkus would say fold preflop to, and you hit the flop, no one is going to put you on having those cards and lots of money should come your way.
I agree to an extent, but in this situation (early tourney stages, UTG), playing rags is just essentially spewing chips.
spore
Rock Star
Silver Level
yeah a 57s is a standard hand for people like Sammy Farha, Phil Helmuth, Daniel Negreanu, etc.. They are just so flippin good at playing post-flop that they can take an two cards and win at any given time. I've been watching that High Stakes Poker on GSN (just got the complete 1st season).. and I tell ya, I've never seen such loose play with so much on the line in a No Limit Cash Game! Them guys are the real deal (err well, minus Shieky.. that guy is a donk).
But, I digress.. you have a couple disadvantages..
a) you're playing online and
b) your opponents are most likely donks
So folding 57s pre-flop UTG was definitely the right play. I would've limped in with it in late position.. but not UTG.. nope, sorry. But yeah, I love folding a hand I sometimes play and have it turn out to have been a monster.
.... but then again when I start playing lose from any position, nothing hits. it's a catch-22!
But, I digress.. you have a couple disadvantages..
a) you're playing online and
b) your opponents are most likely donks
So folding 57s pre-flop UTG was definitely the right play. I would've limped in with it in late position.. but not UTG.. nope, sorry. But yeah, I love folding a hand I sometimes play and have it turn out to have been a monster.
.... but then again when I start playing lose from any position, nothing hits. it's a catch-22!
gord962
Legend
Silver Level
I agree with what Lo-Dog is saying. If you can limp from a late position, these hands are great to play once in a while. Obviously you don't play these hands every time you get them, nor do you play them from UTG, early or middle position. If you are able to play them every once in a while from the button or position of strength, there is nothing to lose. If you don't hit the flop, get out and all you've lost is 1 BB. If you hit like the example Chuck gave, you can make a big profit on some donk who decided to slowplay play his A-6 after the flop or turn.
HoldemChamp
Rock Star
Silver Level
I had K8 off in middle position a while back. Folded it an it ended up being a K high straight flush. The one and only I would have had. I have had other straight flushes. Just none with Face Cards yet.
At any rate, I was kicking myself for not taking a chance. However, after kicking myself I realised how many junk hands I would have to play before I saw that happen again. -EV big time.
It was the right fold.
At any rate, I was kicking myself for not taking a chance. However, after kicking myself I realised how many junk hands I would have to play before I saw that happen again. -EV big time.
It was the right fold.