Does anyone like anonymous players on Bovada?

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I'm pretty loyal to Bovada for longer than they've been bovada. They always payout on time, customer service is good, and I can almost always find action. But does anyone honestly like the feature of random opponents? You can't build any opponent history. You can't take player notes. You can't tell if there is collusion going on. Pointless.
 
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I play there. The fact that no one can use HUD doesn't bother me, since everyone is in the same boat. What bugs me is that everyone is anonymous from game to game so your notes are only good for that game. I get that they are trying to level the playing field to draw in less experienced players - but how about just banning HUD and letting us keep up the old fashion way with player specific notes.
 
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I'm pretty loyal to Bovada for longer than they've been bovada. They always payout on time, customer service is good, and I can almost always find action. But does anyone honestly like the feature of random opponents? You can't build any opponent history. You can't take player notes. You can't tell if there is collusion going on. Pointless.
Longer than it's been bovada even?

THere's some threads on this somewhere in the forum (the decision to go bs anon tables). I could try to find the link for you.
 
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A tip for ya. For stuff like this maybe try using the 'Search' feature at top of page. (click on 'search', then type in what you're looking for)
 
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A tip for ya. For stuff like this maybe try using the 'Search' feature at top of page. (click on 'search', then type in what you're looking for)
Thank you for the insight sir. And thank you for the links. Yea, the "before it was bovada" comment was in reference to the switchover from Bodog for American players.
 
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I play there. The fact that no one can use HUD doesn't bother me, since everyone is in the same boat. What bugs me is that everyone is anonymous from game to game so your notes are only good for that game. I get that they are trying to level the playing field to draw in less experienced players - but how about just banning HUD and letting us keep up the old fashion way with player specific notes.
Agreed. I think what bothered me most is that the exact day before they switched to this software with anonymous players, I was stuck on a table 4 hand with 3 guys who were colluding... And the only way I could tell (beyond a doubt) was because I could rollover their names and see they were from the same small town. I reported them and then of course I log in the next day to find out that could happen whenever now and Id have no evidence.
 
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i like it ...my game suits the anonymous feature...i just wish i could play more than 4 tables
 
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They need a poll on this....only cause I'm curious what the percentages here would be.
 
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I just reactivated my account today. Haven't played there since it was Bodog.
 
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sorry to kinda thread-jack but could someone tell me how the traffic and structures are for stt (both 9 and 6 mans), dons (fr and sh if they have) and husngs?

thanks
 
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sorry to kinda thread-jack but could someone tell me how the traffic and structures are for stt (both 9 and 6 mans), dons (fr and sh if they have) and husngs?

thanks
depends on the time of day. during the day I'd say if you were the first to sit down, it would take about 10 mins to fill. hu takes a couple mins. Late at night it usually takes a bit 20-30 mins
 
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sorry to kinda thread-jack but could someone tell me how the traffic and structures are for stt (both 9 and 6 mans), dons (fr and sh if they have) and husngs?

thanks
In a word slow. The STTs and DONs fill as slow as molasses. I've given up on them. Still play some of the micro stakes ring. I don't know if its the anonymity
or lack of HUD, but some of these games can be pretty wild and loose. I'm mostly playing weeknight evenings
 
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If you play HE cash games, the flop percentages are high and you can find a lot of bad calls there as well. They might have some carry over from their sportsbook and I have come across some wild betters there. If you are a decent player you should be able to win there.
 
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Bodog could easily have its own players and isnt that good at policing in the first place leaving it up to us to catch bots and colluders. Now its impossible for us to catch these things leaving it up to bodog. Every time I get sucked out I am not confident that it was not a bodog superuser account.
 
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Bodog could easily have its own players and isnt that good at policing in the first place leaving it up to us to catch bots and colluders. Now its impossible for us to catch these things leaving it up to bodog. Every time I get sucked out I am not confident that it was not a bodog superuser account.
Anyone on anysite could be a "superuser". No name or w/ a name. I don't believe any site would be dumb enough to jeapordize the amount of rake they get. Unnecessary to cheat ppl out of money when they sit back and collect all day anyways. Also, bovada/bodog is one of the more reputable sights who have never been involved in any scandals.
 
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Anyone on anysite could be a "superuser". No name or w/ a name. I don't believe any site would be dumb enough to jeapordize the amount of rake they get. Unnecessary to cheat ppl out of money when they sit back and collect all day anyways. Also, bovada/bodog is one of the more reputable sights who have never been involved in any scandals.
Seems like i heard this some where before???ummm o yeah.
 
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Seems like i heard this some where before???ummm o yeah.
Not sure what you're trying to say by posting an irrelavent article here. That is also in a # of threads on CC. I've seen the video before and I was a player at UB. I'm familiar with the event as well. Don't kno if your confused about what this conversation was about or what.

So here you go:
We're talking about anonymous players giving them the capability to cheat you out of money.
  • Ultimate Bet has player names.
UltimateBet.net did not employ "superusers" to take ppls money.
  • They were in trouble and required to pay back players bc they didn't successfully protect their db from a security threat.
  • Which is in no way intentional.
Your vid is related to ANY and EVERY poker site that exists. Buster999 was at least talking about anonymous players in his opinion. You're just way off base with this.

So I stand by what I said, I don't believe it's in the best interest of any site to rip ANYBODY off. They bring in a ton of money through rake and it would just be a terrible business move. Again, that is saying nothing about the security of any site.

Finally, I just want to say, every CC member has the capability to start a new thread. If you would like to talk about how ANY poker site can be cheating that could be the thread you choose to post. Just not in a thread about whether or not you like anonymous players. Thanks boss. :icon_thum
 
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To take this thread back to what it was...

Personally, I am kind of 50/50 when it comes to online poker. I enjoy stud and omaha over hold'em, so Bovada for me is perfect (with there were more stud players though). Currently, I live in a rural village up in Alaska with a well-paying job and do not have access to live poker.

When you play live, you have no technology to help you at the table. So, all your "stat tracking" and note-taking has to be done with your own brain. Anonymous play at Bovada does not bother me one bit...it forces me to pay attention to playing styles, betting patterns, and the frequency of hands played by everyone. Yeah, you can take notes, but to me, I'd rather do it mentally.

The hardest thing to catch, though, is when one player leaves and another sits. All of a sudden, your "Number 5" player is different. Just got to be alert.

Therefore, when I can play live, it's much easier for me to observe opponents. And, the games live are slower-paced, making it even easier.

That's my two cents.
 
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Not sure what you're trying to say by posting an irrelavent article here. That is also in a # of threads on CC. I've seen the video before and I was a player at UB. I'm familiar with the event as well. Don't kno if your confused about what this conversation was about or what.

So here you go:
We're talking about anonymous players giving them the capability to cheat you out of money.
  • Ultimate Bet has player names.
UltimateBet.net did not employ "superusers" to take ppls money.
  • They were in trouble and required to pay back players bc they didn't successfully protect their db from a security threat.
  • Which is in no way intentional.
Your vid is related to ANY and EVERY poker site that exists. Buster999 was at least talking about anonymous players in his opinion. You're just way off base with this.

So I stand by what I said, I don't believe it's in the best interest of any site to rip ANYBODY off. They bring in a ton of money through rake and it would just be a terrible business move. Again, that is saying nothing about the security of any site.

Finally, I just want to say, every CC member has the capability to start a new thread. If you would like to talk about how ANY poker site can be cheating that could be the thread you choose to post. Just not in a thread about whether or not you like anonymous players. Thanks boss. :icon_thum
Yeah that makes plenty of sense to me.Player "3" thinks your ignorant though. Player "5"that is player number "6" on another table is a superuser and does not care about your above post.
So prove player"1"-"9" is not superusing. O wait the only way of finding this stuff out is by the community or 3rd party site sighhh(PTR). And they have no way to find out if a site,or a certain player is cheating.
 
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Not sure what you're trying to say by posting an irrelavent article here. That is also in a # of threads on CC. I've seen the video before and I was a player at UB. I'm familiar with the event as well. Don't kno if your confused about what this conversation was about or what.

So here you go:
We're talking about anonymous players giving them the capability to cheat you out of money.
  • Ultimate Bet has player names.
UltimateBet.net did not employ "superusers" to take ppls money.
  • They were in trouble and required to pay back players bc they didn't successfully protect their db from a security threat.
  • Which is in no way intentional.
Your vid is related to ANY and EVERY poker site that exists. Buster999 was at least talking about anonymous players in his opinion. You're just way off base with this.

So I stand by what I said, I don't believe it's in the best interest of any site to rip ANYBODY off. They bring in a ton of money through rake and it would just be a terrible business move. Again, that is saying nothing about the security of any site.

Finally, I just want to say, every CC member has the capability to start a new thread. If you would like to talk about how ANY poker site can be cheating that could be the thread you choose to post. Just not in a thread about whether or not you like anonymous players. Thanks boss. :icon_thum

^^This. Exactly. But, as you are discovering, there is a lot of animosity towards Bovada for making the anonymous move since it prevents the use of trackers which are pretty-much essential for the mass multi-tablers in order to play their game/style.

I personally have no issue with Bovada and the whole anonymous thing. I actually think it's a good thing that more recreational players have one venue where they can go and play and not have to worry about being at a huge disadvantage to all the sharks who take the game more seriously and/or invest in every new "helper" App to improve their game.

All that being said, I don't play at Bovada (although that soon may change) and I do use a tracker/HUD. If you want to keep up with everyone else, on any other site, that is the bare minimum that you'd need. I just think its nice that players who aren't interested in going that route have one place where they can go and play and not be at a huge disadvantage to everyone else. There is nothing wrong with being a recreational player and not being interested in all the rest that goes along with "serious" online play these days.
 
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Yeah that makes plenty of sense to me.Player "3" thinks your ignorant though. Player "5"that is player number "6" on another table is a superuser and does not care about your above post.
So prove player"1"-"9" is not superusing. O wait the only way of finding this stuff out is by the community or 3rd party site sighhh(PTR). And they have no way to find out if a site,or a certain player is cheating.

OK, I agree that there is tons of validity to your post here, BUT..... Recreational players (those who aren't interested in buying/using trackers/huds/player tracker sites/etc/etc/etc) can either play at Bovada where they MAY be playing at a disadvantage to some dishonest play/tactics/cheaters, OR they can play anywhere else where it's 100% certain they'll be playing at a disadvantage since everyone else is using every helper app imaginable, in many case whether it's legal to do so or not.
 
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OK, I agree that there is tons of validity to your post here, BUT..... Recreational players (those who aren't interested in buying/using trackers/huds/player tracker sites/etc/etc/etc) can either play at Bovada where they MAY be playing at a disadvantage to some dishonest play/tactics/cheaters, OR they can play anywhere else where it's 100% certain they'll be playing at a disadvantage since everyone else is using every helper app imaginable, in many case whether it's legal to do so or not.
omg im so anti tracking gadgets .......ive heard all the cons..."if you don't use then most will and you are the fool then".....yada yada yada .... grow a backbone and stand your ground on a game meant to be one player vs one player vs one player....

Your gadgets are cheats ..there i said it...cheat cheat cheat.....I'm old and on my way to further memory loss and still won't submit to these.... I know im up against skyping players and brother/sister husband/wife teams out there....I know i'm up against poker cells invading SNGs....

I am so up to the challenge.....I've been fighting gadgets since i found out players use calculators.....bring it....Kudos Bovada/Bodog to try and thwart the bionic players......sad u have to keep written notes during your Bovada experience.

I'm sad cuz this is the second Saturday i missed the freeroll...dang it...can't wait to be a number.
 
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Unfortunately, that is the sad state of online poker. I actually have no problem with people using trackers/HUDs that track only hands you've actually played in. That's info you'd naturally have anyway, they just organize and display it for you.

Unfortunately, there is much more available to players who desire to out-and-out cheat. There are plenty of sites/services that cater to them and plenty of "players" willing to take them up on their cheating possibilities.
 
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  • , I don't believe it's in the best interest of any site to rip ANYBODY off. They bring in a ton of money through rake and it would just be a terrible business move.
But seeing as there's now no way for anyone to actually prove it..... .

Finally, I just want to say, every CC member has the capability to start a new thread. If you would like to talk about how ANY poker site can be cheating that could be the thread you choose to post. Just not in a thread about whether or not you like anonymous players.
Not sure how you can't see the HUGE relevance of Bodog's anonymous tables being a potential huge problem because of how it opens it up for cheating.

Also, I don't agree with those who figure that the only reason some don't like the anonymous tables is because players who use PT3/HEM can no longer use it. It's like you put that blanket statement out there as if you for sure know the reason.

Personally I think the way the anonymous tables are done at Bodog is freak'n terrible. For myself it lessens the game of poker to something far simpler.. it takes away from the very game of 'poker'. Makes for a boring, simplistic version of the game of poker. I think it's a huge fail.
 
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