Bovada Case Study Opinions

I keep looking all over the place and havnt seen anyone talk about this case study so I figured I would share it and see what you guys think.... Bovada sucks me out all the time and I find these stats very easy to believe.
https://medium.com/@dataminepoker/re...c41#.xz5lqjiji

Bovada is illegitimate for sure.

Wow. That was fascinating. I wish I could fully comprehend everything they did, but if their conclusions are true...I would probably never be able to trust another online poker site again.

Think I've read this before, but doesn't surprise me one bit.. Could only imagine how many "real" people win those big tourneys they host..

I wish they would share the big hand formula to me

They gave u a potential theory to test in the article I believe..

No wonder it is harder for me to make money on Bovada than other sites...sigh.

If only I knew how to hack programming languages and my browser and how to track/store all the hand info I don't even know how to track my own hands

Not sure how I feel about this or whether I should believe it.

I was going to switch to bet online last week, but I cant get the client to connect

Just be careful with bet online. My own fault but I can never cash out there from all the betting bonuses I used rofl

what do you mean? you mean you have to roll over your bonus before you cashout or...?

Yeah. I know that's how it works on all sites but I have some absurd amount of roll over I'd have to bet before ever cashing out

cant you forfeit your bonuses so you dont have to rollover?

Oh I bet them already years ago before realizing how bad it was lol

Bovada made me feel like the worst player in the world. My same exact strategy anywhere else has me being a winning player. Not hugely so, but I consistently win at small stakes cash and place in the money in a large percentage of micro tournys.

Bovada--and I will just call it badluck since I refuse to call foul when I dont see it myself, I have had runs that defy probability.

This is bogus and has been debunked on 2+2 many times. Shameless plug to drive traffic for their site. Disgraceful really to make up stuff to promote your own product at the expensive of others. 2+2 removed most of the links after researching is because they concluded it was bogus. You can see one of the links here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip-sponsored-online-poker-report/article-saying-bovada-unfair-cardroom-1566462/?highlight=dataminepoker

Sigh...

It's all riggggged... I swear it is because I lose!

I've been a winning player on there for over 10 years at just about every stake level. I guess I just somehow avoided the rigging. lol

And FYI, I'd move a mod to ban OP. They are coming in here (probably from ACR or somewhere) and posting up BS about bovada on the forum. It's literally their only posts:

https://www.cardschat.com/search.php?searchid=3398477

And to the posters above... always take what you read on the internet w/ a grain of salt and do some fallacy recognition on any report you read.

i saw that awhile back not sure what to think about it, but i would definitly use caution although ive binked first place a few times on there site for some hefty amounts so idk.

If you play clash on ACR it is absolutely terrible, you can't even find one recreational a table, 5nl on there is probably the same as 100nl on Bovada.

I dont see in that link where it debunks it, just members posting there thoughts on it

A lot of top players pointed out countless fallacies in their article, along with the mod who removed the link, who is a lawyer and a pretty fair person. He called it a shady article. Why? Because it's anonymous, talking about an anonymous site and plugging ACR at the same time (with affiliate links to ACR). Hmmm... wonder what's going on here?

I don't think we need to call Sherlock Holmes in.

I've noticed so many problems with bovada, I just don't trust them. They have to use crazy algorithms

Bet online is just as crooked

There's no way an illegal, offshore online Indian casino would consider cheating for profit. They're in the business to make people happy, not to enrich themselves.

Funny... but they are in a businesses to maintain their business. Having rigged systems or cheating doesn't bode well for long term business. Bodog has been in this business a very long time.

Bovada is not rigged. If you lose, it because you're not playing well.

I've played on there for over 10 years. I've cashed out hundreds of thousands. That wouldn't happen with the million+ hands I've played on there if it was rigged. I doubt I'm some major anomaly not susceptible to their rigged system.

Never Play BOVADA. Play any other poker or casino site. Bovada has created anonymous users and my chart shows 86% loss when leading... also the board pairs more than half the time. IT IS CONFIRMED ITS RIGGED. PLAY ANY OTHER SITE - SAVE YOUR MONEY. BOVADA IS THE FAKEST SITE ON INTERNET.

not rigged? I have been losing with monsters to pretty garbage hands and it's like what the hell are these people thinking shoving flops with 7 2, lowest pair on board and all spades when i have kk no ace on board and i also have a flush draw. they river a deuce for 2nd pair to crack my KK. the casino side sucks pretty bad. for me anyway the casino side is where i lose all of my money at..

Same thing happening with me. It seems to happen in patterns. When I was logging into Bovada Poker it used to say the name of the governing board. Now it doesn't anymore. it makes me wonder if they lost their license again. I had a good 2 month span this summer where it seemed I could win like I was in the past. Now I am always bubble. I can see if I get last place or 5th or 4th but to always be bubble in a 6 person sit and go is a bit fishy. Same with the knockout tournaments. I used to average at least 4 a night. Now it's like pulling teeth to win one. Something is definitely going on with them.

Digging up a bogus article from 2016?

Sigh...it's not rigged. You're just not as good as you think you are.

Sure there are bots. Sure there are people who will collude. But by and large most of them get caught eventually, and most people aren't on there cheating.

John, I can almost see you shaking your head as you are writing responses to some of the posts within this thread....

Bovada is definitely illegitimate.

wish i could say this is surprising, ive experienced most of this on my own n im fairly new to online poker n never visited bravodo, but low percentage preflop hands seem to win as much if not more than the hands with 60-|80 percent advantage. normally coming on river, while mine always show promise early. guaranteeing me to bet big. someone needs to give us a legitimate alternative to these sites, in the us
thanks for ur post it confirms what ive been saying now for a while

Anyone else think its suspicious that John A is back here posting about what a great place bovada is and "debunking" this report based only on the fact that it is anonymous? Does he have an alert on this thread or something?

I understand doubting the report because its anonymous, but you can't just say it is "debunked" because you don't agree with it. If you really want to prove it wrong, you need to do an even better job than these anonymous people did and put together the evidence to prove them wrong. Until then, you can't just claim the opposite while also providing no evidence.

I think anyone who really believes that several different forms of cheating are not taking place in all of the online poker rooms is a bit naive. We know that ACR had an issue with cheating and collusion just this year. Other sites have had problems with bots and collusion as well. Why wouldn't it happen? With what we know and understand about human nature, it should not at all be surprising or shocking that this stuff happens. And if it bothers you, don't play or just play micro online and save your money for the casino, if you can get to one.

I just don't trust bovada.

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