Bots on Poker Sites

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I keep seeing people talk about bots on poker. I've seen accusations based on what the person plays or timing.

Here is what I would like to know from anyone who is saying there are bots out there:

Background info: I am a IT guru dealing with all sorts of things including programming and security.

So, here goes ...

How do you think these bots work?
Are they listening to the traffic?
Do you think the site has some programming or indication of cards that are about to come up?
How does the bot recognize the cards?
Is it using picture recognition software from a screenshot?

I just want to know how you think these bots are working. I want replies with thought and substance, not conjecture.

If you really believe these bots are so prevalent, reply and let me know how it is working.

It's easy to feel as if there are so many bots, but let's get a little more technical and realistic so we can base our conclusions based on how you would actually write a bot that could be profitable.
 
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I keep seeing people talk about bots on poker. I've seen accusations based on what the person plays or timing.

Here is what I would like to know from anyone who is saying there are bots out there:

Background info: I am a IT guru dealing with all sorts of things including programming and security.

So, here goes ...

How do you think these bots work?
Are they listening to the traffic?
Do you think the site has some programming or indication of cards that are about to come up?
How does the bot recognize the cards?
Is it using picture recognition software from a screenshot?

I just want to know how you think these bots are working. I want replies with thought and substance, not conjecture.

If you really believe these bots are so prevalent, reply and let me know how it is working.

It's easy to feel as if there are so many bots, but let's get a little more technical and realistic so we can base our conclusions based on how you would actually write a bot that could be profitable.


For an IT guy you seem to lack the very basic principle called GOOGLE. lol

Seriously though, just google it. You can buy them pre-programmed with several profiles to switch between.

Like TAG, LAG, MTT, SnG, Cash, etc.

BTW you do know that a bot is just a piece of 3rd party software, right?
 
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For an IT guy you seem to lack the very basic principle called GOOGLE. lol

Seriously though, just google it. You can buy them pre-programmed with several profiles to switch between.

Like TAG, LAD, MTT, SnG, Cash, etc.



I am asking for how people think they work.

Are you telling me you have purchased and used one before or that you can google them, so if they are out there, well then, they must work?

I do know how to google, but that isn't the point of the post.

It seems that there is the belief that they are so prevalent, so where are the supporting facts?

I don't think that someone creating a bot and selling it qualifies. Anyone can put software out there and claim that it works. And if they did, then the poker site would be able to purchase it and re-write the software to counter it.
 
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I am asking for how people think they work.

Are you telling me you have purchased and used one before or that you can google them, so if they are out there, well then, they must work?

I do know how to google, but that isn't the point of the post.

It seems that there is the belief that they are so prevalent, so where are the supporting facts?

I don't think that someone creating a bot and selling it qualifies. Anyone can put software out there and claim that it works. And if they did, then the poker site would be able to purchase it and re-write the software to counter it.

They are well known.. google it.
One beat a table full of pros at a demonstration.
 
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I see various academic institutions with good success on Texas Holdem.

If you want to play one live- I suggest Cepheus at University of Alberta

http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/

You can set things up - but I believe it has the largest hand history of anything out there.

I 'suppose' some people might use this to aid them in a game, I don't play heads up, I really liked the chart Cepheus came up with though...

I skipped reading about odds - and just kept this chart handy for the first two years of playing.

http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/preflop

That link is to the chart. I had some fun trying to beat this thing, but like the quote from https://www.deepstack.ai/
“Real life consists of bluffing, of little tactics of deception, of asking yourself what is the other man going to think I mean to do.”​
— JOHN VON NEUMANN, FOUNDER OF GAME THEORY


Now, that is DeepStack - that's ANOTHER name for Cepheus I think to look into, you can download that one.

But as to bots? If I KNOW it's a bot, I think it's possible to bluff a bot more so than a person.

I love the game whether it's bots or people, I'd prefer people.
 
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They cant be that prevalent if i can beat the game comfortably either that are they aren't very good:D.I don't worry whatsoever about them if anything they are probably small losers or break even but making a profit from rakeback for the users of them.They are programmed with basic strategies i would guess.
 
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It is mind boggling to think about all those losing tickets ! :)
 
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The bot is a suspect of online players in player behavior at online poker tables.
The entire system can be a robotic platform, there is no need to have an external bot, as they do in gamer videos.
Now you asked how the system does the reading of the cards. In the same way HUD does the reading of his cards and helps him to make the best decision, in the case of bot he does the reading of the letter itself and still has a database of thousands of hands.
Clearly the bots exist because pokerstars himself took some Russians bot into his poker room and banished them all.
 
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I think bots are easily spotted when the poker sites run data. There will be bots until online poker is legal and regulated in the US
 
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I think bots are easily spotted when the poker sites run data. There will be bots until online poker is legal and regulated in the US



Which is why I like playing on wsop. They are regulated by the Nevada Gaming Board for Nevada players.

All this data is encrypted, so they would need a way to interpret the graphics displayed on the screen, or a way to read the data directly. Some poker sites allow an HUD (which by extension would allow the bot), some do not (in which case it would have to interpret the graphics displayed)
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Then an auto mouse program is necessary. Some programs check for these when they start, some do not.

The whole point is to expand your mind and think through things clearly. It is not beneficial to jump to conclusions based on feelings.

Just my 2 cents :)
 
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Which is why I like playing on WSOP. They are regulated by the Nevada Gaming Board for Nevada players.

All this data is encrypted, so they would need a way to interpret the graphics displayed on the screen, or a way to read the data directly. Some poker sites allow an HUD (which by extension would allow the bot), some do not (in which case it would have to interpret the graphics displayed)
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Then an auto mouse program is necessary. Some programs check for these when they start, some do not.

The whole point is to expand your mind and think through things clearly. It is not beneficial to jump to conclusions based on feelings.

Just my 2 cents :)

You clearly do not understand.

A bot is just a piece of 3rd party software. You sign up at a site, log in, select a table and then start the bot program. The program reads the cards just like your eyes do. All the info that you can see on screen the bot can also "see".

You program it to respond to all the different scenarios that occur during a poker game.

The advantage is that it doesn't need to sleep or eat and it never goes on tilt.
 
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Could you please stop???
Some might get attracted to buy a bot, then they are caught and we will have the whining thread Buuuuäaaahhh, Pokerstars deleted my account due to suspicion, I didn't do ANYTHING.:angel:
 
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Does it really matter if there are bots out there? I've seen many crazy, mixed up hands that I know are just the result of bad players playing badly and getting lucky. The odds are irrelevant cuz folks are going to play what they want when they want. When that happens - anything can happen, and usually does.

Frankly, I'd prefer to play against a bot because they're predictable. They play the way you're supposed to play, unlike most of us.
 
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Does it really matter if there are bots out there? I've seen many crazy, mixed up hands that I know are just the result of bad players playing badly and getting lucky. The odds are irrelevant cuz folks are going to play what they want when they want. When that happens - anything can happen, and usually does.

Frankly, I'd prefer to play against a bot because they're predictable. They play the way you're supposed to play, unlike most of us.
Yep, i once played against one, that would re-raise every raise. but on the river it ALWAYS folded to a minbet, lol. That was fun!!!
 
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playing against bots

Bots are usually easy to predict i like playing against them
 
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Does it really matter if there are bots out there? I've seen many crazy, mixed up hands that I know are just the result of bad players playing badly and getting lucky. The odds are irrelevant cuz folks are going to play what they want when they want. When that happens - anything can happen, and usually does.

Frankly, I'd prefer to play against a bot because they're predictable. They play the way you're supposed to play, unlike most of us.


Actually they are not that predictable (imo). 10yrs. ago, sure... they were terrible. These days they sound like they are pretty complicated & many are able to adjust on the go (they are making adjustments to players based on PT4 stats in their database). It is not just a simple pre-programmed action. I am certain I come up against a fair number of them in the FastForward, SPEED format games. They are uber aggressive and very good at putting players to tough decisions often.

And as far `they play the way you are supposed to play` goes.... I am guessing you are referring to straightforward TAG type play... whereas I look at `playing the way you are supposed to play` as being Adjusting to our opponents and making the best decisions based on the information we have, exploiting their weaknesses & tendancies in each & every spot.

Out of curiousity I was just doing a bit of research about todays BOTS in online poker (which brought me to this thread). Reading up on them and seeing what companies are offering today, shows me that things have changed considerably in the past few years. I wish the sites took stronger action against them and were able to eliminate them somehow.
 
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But how do bot know that a particular bet you are thinking of going all bets
 
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Not everyone has a bot. Basically it is an AI (artificial intelligence) that learns from its mistakes to make a perfect game. Such as those that exist for chess or for other e-sports games. They are machines that not everyone has access to them, only that is why players with a lot of money are accused of this.
 
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u know what its bots? in pokerstars bots is support who she work for amaya mafia . after support stolen from everwhere by controled with . support is bots who she answer ur email and manipulate all account. pokerstars is the most rigged server . no exist bad beat in pokerstars. its a rigged by supportbots
 
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soon i have 4 video how she stolen bastarz support how manipulate real players with small deposit 10$ who she work in pokerstars.
 
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