Bots and Collusion on ACR

#1 April 23rd, 2019, 9:55 AM

Joe Ingram has been talking about this for a long time. On April 29th 6pm EST Joe is going to have the CEO of WPN on his podcast. This is a promotional video he made for the show on youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7Npnz0ZS0
This is a video with not that many views showing weird bot like activity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWoeDTp5lrU

One more video of Joe talking about the collusion and botting going on...

You Tube

I feel upset that this type of activity is allowed to go on. I have been using this site for years and there is no way in knowing if I too am a victim. It seems that ACR is passive about these situations until users are reported or harassed enough thru the means of media coverage by significant users with alot of money. I wish there was a site I knew for a fact had air tight security and actively (not passively) monitored these type of issues. I live in Texas. Is there an alternative site/client I should be using that is available to my region?

#2 April 23rd, 2019, 10:04 AM

There is a site I found that sells these undetectable bots. It was very easy to find using google. The service rep selling them said that they haven't had a user detected on ACR in years. I mean come on. ACR needs to dish out some more of those refunds to the little guys who have been using their client for years and have been getting ripped off.

#3 April 23rd, 2019, 3:29 PM

I've used ACR but not noticed any bots

#4 April 23rd, 2019, 6:15 PM

I just posted a similar thread and saw this in the section for similar threads at the bottom of the page. My thread was also inspired as a reaction to the internet poker feud you mentioned. I didn't address ACR collusion specifically, just HERE is a link to my thread. Thanks and good luck!

#5 April 24th, 2019, 5:16 AM

Originally Posted by NUGGEETTEE

I've used ACR but not noticed any bots

You can't notice them. They play poker just like people and are undetectable.

#6 April 24th, 2019, 5:18 AM

Originally Posted by ScooperNova

I just posted a similar thread and saw this in the section for similar threads at the bottom of the page. My thread was also inspired as a reaction to the internet poker feud you mentioned. I didn't address ACR collusion specifically, just online poker in general, but collusion absolutely takes place at every online poker room and it's could be even more detrimental to the game than bots. HERE is a link to my thread. Thanks and good luck!

Cool I'll check it out. If I started my own online poker service, I would invest heavily into stopping this. My company would have some integrity.

#7 April 24th, 2019, 5:35 AM

I haven�t looked into how the bots play but I honestly have been very suspicious of play I�ve come across on this site. I wish Michigan�s former governor hadn�t vetoed the bill that would�ve legalized online gambling. If I had better options I�d never play this site again.

#8 April 24th, 2019, 3:33 PM

If bots are playing who are they playing for? Are players using bots to their advantage?

#9 April 24th, 2019, 6:46 PM

I'd only be concerned if I had thousands to lose.
You can tag players you feel uncomfortable playing though.
I play micro plo and just about familiar with the majority of players who play the stakes on ACR.

#10 April 24th, 2019, 9:20 PM

ACR is literally filled with bots. I report them daily and in the last few weeks we have been lucky to have a few streamers final table against bots. This is what got ACR to start the new refund policy. Hopefully they actually proactively do something as it's out of control and my refund was pretty small. Foxrox was the one caught and that bot actually ripped off something like 178K. One bot that much money. Its a real problem.

#11 April 24th, 2019, 11:42 PM

Been telling poker players for years about this and they laugh and say your crazy.

#12 April 25th, 2019, 12:01 AM

Bots are out there no doubt. They've thankfully snagged a couple and say they have at least 8 more with refunds and posting of bot names and players refunded to come Friday 4/26/19.
I got a small refund from the 2 they already posted- hoping for a bigger one this week but I guess we will wait and see.
I play a fair amount of small stakes cash games and the 10nl and esp 25nl have been bot problems for a while.
I also watch the beast leaderboard often and a few regulars- almost certain bots- aren't there anymore- I'm really hoping they are included in the refunds.
I'm also curious to see Phil on Joe's podcast. Should be interesting.

#13 April 25th, 2019, 12:02 AM

I worry about collusion more in a live game than I do online.

#14 April 25th, 2019, 12:06 AM

I don't understand how with the technology they have. There just can't be bot free poker.

I know, I am simple thinking but us it really that hard to keep bots from online poker?

Originally Posted by littledsurf

ACR is literally filled with bots. I report them daily and in the last few weeks we have been lucky to have a few streamers final table against bots. This is what got ACR to start the new refund policy. Hopefully they actually proactively do something as it's out of control and my refund was pretty small. Foxrox was the one caught and that bot actually ripped off something like 178K. One bot that much money. Its a real problem.

#15 April 25th, 2019, 12:15 AM

We Shall see ! I had a ACR account for years but closed it down after reporting solid evidence of collusion and bots. Finally they shut down 2 PLO bots but would never do anything about the collusion. I know several people that we in my same boat. I really hope the WPN network puts a dent in these issues- time will tell !!

#16 April 25th, 2019, 12:58 AM

When I Read Threads Like this I'm Reminded Of The Classic Fair Ground Amusements... Or Cons lol

Like Throw a Ring Over a Spike, Large Ball Through Small Hole or even Knock something off a tin without the tin falling off too...

We Go into these Games Knowing, Absolutely having told people for years that these things were happening, There is an angle which will always benefit the opponent or the casino or the fair ground amusement but still We Carry on paying for more hoops to throw and more balls to bounce off the holes... lol

Getting Back to the "Bots" It Seems That They are considered Poker Players and Platform clients while They're Paying into the system... and you can have as many accounts as you can find bank accounts to pay in to them...right?

Maybe Bank Cards named "J Blogs","R J Bloggs","J R Bloggs","Mr Bloggs" and so on... also Basing joining Applications made by IP addresses... Cross Platforms and when one platform finds a bot does that stop the bank accounts being used on other platforms?

It's going to be absolutely Impossible To Get Rid of all the Bots on any Platform... But Bots get more money from higher performing Platforms... And the more Players you have on your platform the more likely you are to find more bots...

Save your money and join a local live game club or stick to MTT's on CardsChat they Seem to be Free from Bots...

I've lost about �150 in cash games over the last 4 months lol I've now stuck to the cheep buy in tournaments for training and pleasure and I'm not doing too badly now... I'd Say After another six months of 40 - 50 tournaments a week I'll be ready to actually pay in on a Live Big Money Tournament... The Harder The Going goes Online The Better prepared I'll Be Later On... Lets Hope!!

PokerStars One Night I Played on the same table As Daniel Negreanu and I watched him Buy in Several Times and each time he was going all-in and I Learnt something that night.... Doesn't Matter Who You Are when you're playing online, Every one is as vulnerable to the same (RNG) Down Swings let alone what the calculating bots can take from you...

Bots Stick to worthwhile Large Cash Income Games... Cash Games are Worst for your being vulnerable...

#17 April 25th, 2019, 6:42 PM

Excellent Post! Thanks for keeping it real!

Originally Posted by Inequitas

When I Read Threads Like this I'm Reminded Of The Classic Fair Ground Amusements... Or Cons lol

Like Throw a Ring Over a Spike, Large Ball Through Small Hole or even Knock something off a tin without the tin falling off too...

We Go into these Games Knowing, Absolutely having told people for years that these things were happening, There is an angle which will always benefit the opponent or the casino or the fair ground amusement but still We Carry on paying for more hoops to throw and more balls to bounce off the holes... lol

Getting Back to the "Bots" It Seems That They are considered Poker Players and Platform clients while They're Paying into the system... and you can have as many accounts as you can find bank accounts to pay in to them...right?

Maybe Bank Cards named "J Blogs","R J Bloggs","J R Bloggs","Mr Bloggs" and so on... also Basing joining Applications made by IP addresses... Cross Platforms and when one platform finds a bot does that stop the bank accounts being used on other platforms?

It's going to be absolutely Impossible To Get Rid of all the Bots on any Platform... But Bots get more money from higher performing Platforms... And the more Players you have on your platform the more likely you are to find more bots...

Save your money and join a local live game club or stick to MTT's on CardsChat they Seem to be Free from Bots...

I've lost about �150 in cash games over the last 4 months lol I've now stuck to the cheep buy in tournaments for training and pleasure and I'm not doing too badly now... I'd Say After another six months of 40 - 50 tournaments a week I'll be ready to actually pay in on a Live Big Money Tournament... The Harder The Going goes Online The Better prepared I'll Be Later On... Lets Hope!!

PokerStars One Night I Played on the same table As Daniel Negreanu and I watched him Buy in Several Times and each time he was going all-in and I Learnt something that night.... Doesn't Matter Who You Are when you're playing online, Every one is as vulnerable to the same (RNG) Down Swings let alone what the calculating bots can take from you...

Bots Stick to worthwhile Large Cash Income Games... Cash Games are Worst for your being vulnerable...

#18 April 25th, 2019, 7:43 PM

Well after reading several articles, the bots are going to be apart of online poker.

Just like drugs are part of America

I read articles on how you can spot one all the way to how you can beat one.

The only thing I can say is hope the sites keep them as.low as possible. The engineer's of Bots say they are making them better and better.

All.I can say is we try to keep our losses low and our winnings high.

It did say the bots can start of at coating $10,000 and taking a lot of hours to get running. So in that case most of them sit in the middle to high end games, ring games and tournaments.

I just want to make $100 a day then the bots can have the rest.

The only way around it is to play live or if only playing online play against the bots. I think if you stay at the micro level we may be safe from bots.

#19 April 26th, 2019, 5:05 AM

Originally Posted by Eric Salvador

I haven�t looked into how the bots play but I honestly have been very suspicious of play I�ve come across on this site. I wish Michigan�s former governor hadn�t vetoed the bill that would�ve legalized online gambling. If I had better options I�d never play this site again.

I really wish I could just play on pokerstars. The website I went to that was selling these things had poker stars as the highest risk for using bots. Why can't they get their act together and let me play here in Texas. They are just missing out on money they could be making. Poker rooms have been opening up all over here. I hope one day you can enjoy legally playing poker online as well. This country is very old school sometimes. We act like we are cavemen sometimes.

#20 April 26th, 2019, 5:08 AM

Originally Posted by NUGGEETTEE

If bots are playing who are they playing for? Are players using bots to their advantage?

They are bought buy users on the site for a couple 100$/ yr subscription. Humans make mistakes following their gut. They have a programmed strategy that can play excellent mtt, sng, cash, etc... every time. They also exploit hud stats. Exploitative poker is the term I believe.

#21 April 26th, 2019, 5:10 AM

I was wondering why no one types at my table besides me. Im not sure but im guessing that the bots are terrible donks. Not sure thou.

#22 April 26th, 2019, 5:13 AM

Originally Posted by Queenlimp

I'd only be concerned if I had thousands to lose.
You can tag players you feel uncomfortable playing though.
I play micro plo and just about familiar with the majority of players who play the stakes on ACR.

How do you even know they are going to do anything though? Joe Ingram, (in one of those videos I posted above) said they allowed a user who was banned for using bots was able to play over 1 million hands before he got banned. Who knows if they even refunded everyone their money who were effected. I get what you mean though. I still am a user just because I don't put alot of money on there at a time. Mainly because I have no other good site to turn to though. I wish some non shady USA based company like pokerstars would make a site available to us all here in the USA.

#23 April 26th, 2019, 5:15 AM

Originally Posted by lcid86

I worry about collusion more in a live game than I do online.

Really? lol

#24 April 26th, 2019, 5:21 AM

Originally Posted by Inequitas

When I Read Threads Like this I'm Reminded Of The Classic Fair Ground Amusements... Or Cons lol

Like Throw a Ring Over a Spike, Large Ball Through Small Hole or even Knock something off a tin without the tin falling off too...

We Go into these Games Knowing, Absolutely having told people for years that these things were happening, There is an angle which will always benefit the opponent or the casino or the fair ground amusement but still We Carry on paying for more hoops to throw and more balls to bounce off the holes... lol

Getting Back to the "Bots" It Seems That They are considered Poker Players and Platform clients while They're Paying into the system... and you can have as many accounts as you can find bank accounts to pay in to them...right?

Maybe Bank Cards named "J Blogs","R J Bloggs","J R Bloggs","Mr Bloggs" and so on... also Basing joining Applications made by IP addresses... Cross Platforms and when one platform finds a bot does that stop the bank accounts being used on other platforms?

It's going to be absolutely Impossible To Get Rid of all the Bots on any Platform... But Bots get more money from higher performing Platforms... And the more Players you have on your platform the more likely you are to find more bots...

Save your money and join a local live game club or stick to MTT's on CardsChat they Seem to be Free from Bots...

I've lost about �150 in cash games over the last 4 months lol I've now stuck to the cheep buy in tournaments for training and pleasure and I'm not doing too badly now... I'd Say After another six months of 40 - 50 tournaments a week I'll be ready to actually pay in on a Live Big Money Tournament... The Harder The Going goes Online The Better prepared I'll Be Later On... Lets Hope!!

PokerStars One Night I Played on the same table As Daniel Negreanu and I watched him Buy in Several Times and each time he was going all-in and I Learnt something that night.... Doesn't Matter Who You Are when you're playing online, Every one is as vulnerable to the same (RNG) Down Swings let alone what the calculating bots can take from you...

Bots Stick to worthwhile Large Cash Income Games... Cash Games are Worst for your being vulnerable...

I would much rather play live because then I wouldn't have to worry about this. They just recently this past year made it legal to play poker in Texas. However, I don't have the bankroll for 1/3 and 5/5 live cash games near me. On average the people that play around here buy in for well over the general rule of 100 big blinds.

#25 April 26th, 2019, 5:26 AM

I hope they catch and ban the players who collude.

#26 April 26th, 2019, 11:34 PM

Bots that play micro stakes make there money from the rake back. Play 5 tables 24-7 and each bot can make wages.

#27 April 27th, 2019, 1:01 AM

To Be Honest....
ACR is crazy bout the bots and many people are pissed off. I really don't care bout ACR. If I want to freeroll, then I will go but it is really stupid about this.

#28 April 28th, 2019, 11:34 PM

I've never thought of thinking about it before. Does anyone have proof of it? I'm afraid if someone has the idea to write about it here, then someone will have used the idea to develop a bot. Maybe he can enlarge his bankroll that way. And that in the time when he himself has no time, or wants to sleep. who knows...

#29 April 28th, 2019, 11:57 PM

No matter what happens, BOTs will always infest any site. To many, it's like a cyber cold war type thing.
BOTs get better, sites update security, BOTs upgrade, Security tightens up, on and on ....
Sad part is, legitimate players get caught in the firing line, with no condolences.
Sites should locate and destroy any site, or torrent that ether sells or programs the BOTs.
Show the community that proactive steps are being taken to curb and detract players from even thinking of using the things.

#30 April 29th, 2019, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Eric Salvador

I haven�t looked into how the bots play but I honestly have been very suspicious of play I�ve come across on this site. I wish Michigan�s former governor hadn�t vetoed the bill that would�ve legalized online gambling. If I had better options I�d never play this site again.

I've been saying for years now that there's GOTTA be "something weird" going on with online poker sites. WAYYYY too many "bad beats", total JOKE river card winners and "people"(BOTS) playing REALLLY bad cards from bad "positions". It was no shock to me to learn about all of the "bot problems" which have surfaced recently. I won't do the classic "Told you so", but.....well, YES I will do the "TOLD YOU SO"! Money to be made thru corruption?>>>Priceless!

#31 April 29th, 2019, 12:42 AM

Here are a couple of CardsChat news articles that may be of interest to you all

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...gy-acr-425909/

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poke...s-have-425295/

#32 April 29th, 2019, 5:58 PM

We all know the bot situation will never be solved. Like the existence of a true RNG, technology will always outrun the chasers. Out of all the geniuses, stat crunchers, analysts one should be able to conclude that someone could devise a shore-fire way to recognize and defeat the bots. We have Huds that analyze just about everything. Anyone throw in a bot detection algorithm yet? Would any poker playing site develope and distribute one? They won't stop coming unless they are no longer profitable.

#33 April 29th, 2019, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by TxFoldemPro

We all know the bot situation will never be solved. Like the existence of a true RNG, technology will always outrun the chasers. Out of all the geniuses, stat crunchers, analysts one should be able to conclude that someone could devise a shore-fire way to recognize and defeat the bots. We have Huds that analyze just about everything. Anyone throw in a bot detection algorithm yet? Would any poker playing site develope and distribute one? They won't stop coming unless they are no longer profitable.

Some poker sites implement a BOT algorithm, that's why sometimes you hear of players getting banned for no reason.( other than there play was a little too ABC, and triggered the warning flags.)
As far as distributing one, forget about it. One, "Sites" probibly use a massive database of players hands in their algo.
Second, someone somewhere would want the source code, or would reverse engineer the code, so they could find the cracks and slip a BOT deep in.

#34 April 29th, 2019, 11:42 PM

emmm.. If bots are playing who are they playing for? Are players using bots to their advantage?

#35 April 29th, 2019, 11:48 PM

Acr gave me a small refund after all the losses I suffered from the botson there I think it�s good they are fixing the problem but compensation should be more abundant

#36 April 30th, 2019, 6:47 AM

You Tube

This is Joe Ingram interviewing the CEO of WPN.

I played on ACR for the past week and started noticing 3-4 users sitting out SIMULTANEOUSLY on multiple tables. ( I was playing 8 tables at once for days.) I didnt even feel like reporting them for suspicious behavior. I just feel as if it is hopeless. I will absolutely never play on ACR again.

I just started working more so I can build a bankroll and become strictly a live player.

#37 April 30th, 2019, 6:54 AM

Just google poker bots for sale!!! I mean come on people... This is absolutely insane that this has been going on. ACR is labeled as low risk for being caught on their sites. PokerStars is labeled as very high risk. I really wish poker stars was available to me. They have settings and advice to become virtually undetectable for very long periods of time. These bots can exploit hud stats perfectly (when humans only have 10 seconds to act and no time to read every single stat against a player), play pro level tourament/cash/sng/ etc... Not to mention the collusion like activity I have seen with my own eyes is pathetic.

#38 April 30th, 2019, 7:20 AM

In the video I posted he talks about how they will be using google recaptcha at the table. If ACR starts to implement things such as this... I will consider depositing again.

#39 April 30th, 2019, 7:40 AM

I feel like every time Phil Nagy shrugs his shoulders in the interview that he has no confidence in what he is saying or lying.... What do you guys think? I wish a body language expert could analyze this interview.

#40 May 2nd, 2019, 6:26 PM

All of poker comes down to trusting or not trusting if opponents have what they are representing. Is Nagy repping an honest AK solution, or is this a 72 reraise; forcing all to trust the bet or fold? I wonder. At the moment my stack is low so I gotta trust the reraise. Also, it doesn't seem like anyone at this table is taking a stab at the pot.

Who has the most equity?
Are the variances worth the risk?
Who trusts the reraise?

#41 May 2nd, 2019, 7:39 PM

I forced myself to sit through the entire interview. It was a painful experience. I really wanted to believe what Nagy was saying and I tried my best to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his body language, constant stammering and stuttering and repeating himself just makes it impossible. Anyone who plays cash games with any regularity on ACR sees that there are certain players who are always at the tables. I don't know if these are bots or multiple people sharing one account to maximize rakeback and Beast rewards (which can add up to six figures by the end of the year if playing mid to high stakes). Both bots and multi-using accounts are prohibited. No one individual can play so many tables for so many hours. There's no way to prevent this entirely (except maybe eliminating Beast rewards), but, at least in the case of bots, one step is to ban HUDs and seating scripts. If the regs are actually good players they should still be able to beat the fish and still make a decent living. Still, bots can be adjusted to work around the new rules. Its a really difficult problem. Unfortunately, I didn't get the impression that he was really committed to dealing with it. We'll see what happens when the new software is fully implemented, but I'm not holding my breath.

#42 May 23rd, 2019, 5:42 PM

Yesterday on bovada in zone poker, I realized a bunch of bots for the first time.

What happened is that as I was playing, I was seeing too frequent re raises pre flop and then calling my big re raise.

This was an indicator that something was off.

Caught them off guard and pocketed some good money off sloppy bots

#43 May 24th, 2019, 12:43 PM

great video you know i only pretty much play at micro stakes and i have i have finishe 1st in mumerous icrostake tournaents on acr. so that mean i have won tournaments agoinst massive cheating i should jusst say forget online poker and toke this show to the live stage

#44 May 24th, 2019, 3:58 PM

So I'm a little confused why is everyone worried about playing against a "bot"?

They seem from what I've researched to be very much like any other player who follows one of the "winning" starting range and play guides available for Humans to use i.e. a Humanbot versus an autobot.

It seems to maximize your stock bot's potential you take a basic program and modify it. Like taking a basic strategy and deciding to go against it because of ….. in a specific situation.

What we are facing are NOT the high end learn as it plays strategies of A.I. being put out by the universities and competing against the best pro's.

Autobots and Humanbots are exploitable because they are predictable after some observation in most situations. I don't see where a computer being dealt a weak A and clicking Raise is any different than a human looking at a chart and reading Raise with a hand in a certain position so they click Raise.

FWIW I think to many people fear the machine for no good reason.

Lets shuffle up and play.

BTW facing BOTS in war games are usually much easier than facing a real human.

#45 November 18th, 2020, 2:35 AM

Wish I've seen this post long time ago,I've been playing a while on ACR and kept Seeing "players" that leave the Cash tables soon as I leave and kept join when I was sitting.
Don't want to know how many players out there that been or still now in the same spot as I'm.
Cause it might have been thousands of dollars sitting in this botted accounts that all this cash was Belong to Legit players who lost it.

If anyone Have any updates or knows any information regarding the botting in ACR and if any steps been taken lately, will be glad to hear some positive information
Bots and Collusion on ACR

#46 November 18th, 2020, 2:45 AM

My friend videotaped that exact thing happening to him at the cash tables, all players simultaneously sitting out when he sits out, and the all simultaneously sit in when he sits back in.

It's one of the major reasons why i've never played cash games and never will... there's WAY too much risk of running into a collusion/bot team compared to my preferred form of poker... tournaments don't have this problem since you cannot pick your table or your opponents like you can do at cash games.

Tournaments are low risk for high reward. Cash games are the opposite, they are high risk for low reward. No thanks, I stay away and I recommend others do too given the blatant, obvious collusion and/or bot tactics being witnessed.

#47 November 18th, 2020, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Thor93

Wish I've seen this post long time ago,I've been playing a while on ACR and kept Seeing "players" that leave the Cash tables soon as I leave and kept join when I was sitting.

This is called bum hunting, and except on GG Poker its not against the terms and conditions. Those players apparently percieve you as a weak player, they want to get involved with. Whereas if there are no more weak players at the table, they dont want to sit and play only against other "sharks".

If you dont like being bum hunted, the best solution is to play fast fold cash games (I think ACR call their version "Blitz") or play tournaments with a certain minimum of players. Even in a 9 man SnG bum hunting is not really a thing. If you also want to be protected from possible collusion, it is better to play MTTs though. In MTTs seating is random, so nobody can select, who they want to play with. Best of luck at the tables Bots and Collusion on ACR

#48 November 18th, 2020, 8:51 PM

Originally Posted by fundiver199

This is called bum hunting, and except on GG Poker its not against the terms and conditions. Those players apparently percieve you as a weak player, they want to get involved with. Whereas if there are no more weak players at the table, they dont want to sit and play only against other "sharks".

If you dont like being bum hunted, the best solution is to play fast fold cash games (I think ACR call their version "Blitz") or play tournaments with a certain minimum of players. Even in a 9 man SnG bum hunting is not really a thing. If you also want to be protected from possible collusion, it is better to play MTTs though. In MTTs seating is random, so nobody can select, who they want to play with. Best of luck at the tables Bots and Collusion on ACR

I appreciate your Tip and thoughts Bots and Collusion on ACR

But based on what you assume it's Bum Hunting,and how they know which table I join? I join only tables with 1/6 players in it,and after 10-15 seconds 4-5 same players always join,same as 9max table.
I would agree with you if it was 1-2 players, I tested it over an hour and kept joining only tables with 1 player and same players kept coming in.make 0 sense that all of them join at the same time just saying.
I also noticed very suspicious behavior with some of those players,couple time we Had a full straight on table I dropped all in while both sides should split the pot and they folded? explain this if so "Experienced players" a lot of weird hands that they fold when they should have called 100% .
For me it looks like 4-5 bots teaming up on 1 legit player to increase their chances in one of the hands to knock him out and grab a bit of cash Bots and Collusion on ACR

#49 November 18th, 2020, 8:57 PM

I am not sure AI can improve the play of a bot enough to beat the best poker players. Think about Chess .. great bots but not perfect.

#50 November 18th, 2020, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by xpvictor1

I am not sure AI can improve the play of a bot enough to beat the best poker players. Think about Chess .. great bots but not perfect.

It would not have to beat the best players. Just play GTO in tournaments against impatient humans who make mistakes and get ITM enough times.

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