Any body else have this happen to them

GiGiCat · Aug 5, 2017

I like to live games as much as possible. the closest nice place for me to go is about 40 miles a way. The next two places are close to 100 miles away. This post is about cash games and tournaments. I don't play often but when I do play I play good poker, or I believe any way.

We'll call the losing casino: Casino #1
My problem is that Casino #1 is decent place and reputable but, I do nothing but lose, I mean over the past 14 yrs I have won a total of $2565 and lost $21,550, with a total lose of $18985.
Of which $2250 is from tournament placements.

Now here's my bank roll stats for the other places,

Casino #2 I've sporadically played at for the past 9 years have won a total of $8755 with a total buy-in of $4635 with a total of winnings of $4120
Played one tournaments here.

Casino #3 been sporadically playing at for 5 years, have won a total of $11,550 with a total buy in of $7885, with total winnings of $3665
Pretty much evenly divided between tournaments and cash as this is the furthest away and only go when a tournament series I want to play in is scheduled.

I've played in 5 other casinos but once each, and 3 of those casinos I left with with more than I walked in with.

My question to you is: Do you think it is possible that this casino is just bad luck for me and that no matter what I do, I will never win there, or do we just chalk up the differences between the casinos to variance?

Regards,
GiGiCat

sryulaw · Aug 5, 2017

GiGiCat said:
I like to live games as much as possible. the closest nice place for me to go is about 40 miles a way. The next two places are close to 100 miles away. This post is about cash games and tournaments. I don't play often but when I do play I play good poker, or I believe any way.

We'll call the losing casino: Casino #1
My problem is that Casino #1 is decent place and reputable but, I do nothing but lose, I mean over the past 14 yrs I have won a total of $2565 and lost $21,550, with a total lose of $18985.
Of which $2250 is from tournament placements.

Now here's my bank roll stats for the other places,

Casino #2 I've sporadically played at for the past 9 years have won a total of $8755 with a total buy-in of $4635 with a total of winnings of $4120
Played one tournaments here.

Casino #3 been sporadically playing at for 5 years, have won a total of $11,550 with a total buy in of $7885, with total winnings of $3665
Pretty much evenly divided between tournaments and cash as this is the furthest away and only go when a tournament series I want to play in is scheduled.

I've played in 5 other casinos but once each, and 3 of those casinos I left with with more than I walked in with.

My question to you is: Do you think it is possible that this casino is just bad luck for me and that no matter what I do, I will never win there, or do we just chalk up the differences between the casinos to variance?

Regards,
GiGiCat

It may be that Casino # 1 does not variance as higher, likely that it accepts more good (professional) than recreational. The profit is in the fish and not where it has shark,

C3H6S · Aug 5, 2017

before answer its true!!! accepting a good player in more casinos than recreational players

smallfrie · Aug 5, 2017

I want to hear the real poker room names. I have played a lot in just about all of them.

Two6JJ · Aug 5, 2017

Yes I have had the feeling that no matter how I seemed to play I just could not leave ahead.

smerald · Aug 5, 2017

I think I'd have to agree with sryulaw that it is just likely that there are better players at Casino 1. It is also possible that your mentality heading to that casino, thinking that it is an unlucky spot for you, might be effecting your play. Finally, you may just been very unlucky there hahah which is always plausible with poker. I would just go the other casino's if I was you and I wish you the best of luck!!

GiGiCat · Aug 5, 2017

Two6JJ said:
Yes I have had the feeling that no matter how I seemed to play I just could not leave ahead.

Is this at a particular casino or just any casino for you? I only have this one casino that no matter what do, it seems it's wrong.

Regards,
GiGiCat

GiGiCat · Aug 5, 2017

sryulaw said:
It may be that Casino # 1 does not variance as higher, likely that it accepts more good (professional) than recreational. The profit is in the fish and not where it has shark,

Oh I assure you, it's a commercial fisherman's dream hot spot, that's what kept me going back so many times, but enough is enough already.

I keep telling myself that, I just have to keep properly playing my cards, the other players tenancies, my position etc. and in the long run I'll come out ahead, that's has not been true in this one casino. All other casinos I play in this is true, as you can see by my bankroll management breakdown in original post.

Here's more info: BlackChip Poker gave me $5 for free and I've been playing on that for 2 months now and am a few dollars ahead playing 0.01/0.02 tables

Regards,
GiGiCat

Two6JJ · Aug 5, 2017

Just the one casino but it is generally filled with reg's. I practice a bit better table selection now.

leshausa03 · Aug 5, 2017

Don't play in Casino #1 )

sryulaw · Aug 5, 2017

GiGiCat said:
Oh I assure you, it's a commercial fisherman's dream hot spot, that's what kept me going back so many times, but enough is enough already.

I keep telling myself that, I just have to keep properly playing my cards, the other players tenancies, my position etc. and in the long run I'll come out ahead, that's has not been true in this one casino. All other casinos I play in this is true, as you can see by my bankroll management breakdown in original post.

Here's more info: BlackChip Poker gave me $5 for free and I've been playing on that for 2 months now and am a few dollars ahead playing 0.01/0.02 tables

Regards,
GiGiCat

t's a commercial fisherman's dream hot spot LoL
If you are full of fish in this casino 1, you need to have volume of play, play smaller buy-in, usually have SNG of 9 palyer, 18 anyway, see something of this type so you have volume of tables and if your technical level of play It's loud as you say, you'll be positive with your profit.

Has a Brazilian who went to Las Vegas at this WSOP that occurred, he did not play any high buy-in tournament that had bracelets at the end, he just played $ 100 SNG, $ 200 and just over 9, 18 player and he got almost ITM I all, not counting those who took first place, comes an absurd profit at the end of the month there in Las Vegas, he is the Naka_Floripa of the Akkari Team.

Mauno · Aug 5, 2017

Probaly you have spent more time in casino#1 compared others and players there recognise you and know your style.

GiGiCat · Aug 5, 2017

Mauno said:
Probaly you have spent more time in casino#1 compared others and players there recognise you and know your style.

Here are the last two hands I played the last time I went to the casino.

1/2 NLH
I have 50 BB and UTH has 50BB

UTG limps in, folds to me in CO with

,

I raise to $15
Button, SB, BB fold UTG calls

flop comes out

,

UTG checks
I bet $25

UTG calls

Turn

UTG checks
I check

River

UTG bets $20
I call

UTG flips over pocket KK

Second hand (next hand)
I have 20BB UTG +1 has 55BB

same table, UTG +1 limps folds to me

I'm the HJ with

,

I bet $15
folds to UTG +1 which calls

flop:

,

UTG checks I shove my remaining stack of 25 and UTG + 1 calls

turn is a

river is a

and UTG +1 turns over

,

Did I make the wrong moves in these hands?

Mauno · Aug 6, 2017

Looks like micro limit online game

There will be always somebody and getting better cards.
Is second hand if I would be your opponent I usually do not get flush and would loose

I think you did what you can to make him fold... unlucky.
First hand... I think opponent is a bit loose and lucky again.
With 1 or 2 pairs after flop and when board shows potentialt to better combinations I try to be cautious.

vov4ik · Aug 6, 2017

My advice is not to play casino number 1 casino leads to a loss, and number 2 - number 3 - it gives a profit and you can play and win and be on top with a win, good luck in your victories

Bob23bk · Aug 6, 2017

GiGiCat said:
Casino #1 I have won a total of $2565 and lost $21,550, with a total lose of $18985.
Of which $2250 is from tournament placements.
...
Casino #2 I've sporadically played at for the past 9 years have won a total of $8755 with a total buy-in of $4635 with a total of winnings of $4120
Played one tournaments here.
...
Casino #3 been sporadically playing at for 5 years, have won a total of $11,550 with a total buy in of $7885, with total winnings of $3665
Pretty much evenly divided between tournaments and cash

You weren't specific with the amount of cash/tourney at casino 1, but it looks like your results align with the structure. Tourneys are higher variance, I wonder how much of the discrepancy can be blamed on this.

GiGiCat said:
I only go (to Casino 3when a tournament series I want to play in is scheduled.

Maybe you're more focused and take these more seriously. I'd bet you play better when you've invested so much time just to get there, you don't want to waste the long trip on bad play

titiduru · Aug 6, 2017

GiGiCat said:
Oh I assure you, it's a commercial fisherman's dream hot spot, that's what kept me going back so many times, but enough is enough already.

I keep telling myself that, I just have to keep properly playing my cards, the other players tenancies, my position etc. and in the long run I'll come out ahead, that's has not been true in this one casino. All other casinos I play in this is true, as you can see by my bankroll management breakdown in original post.

Here's more info: BlackChip Poker gave me $5 for free and I've been playing on that for 2 months now and am a few dollars ahead playing 0.01/0.02 tables

Regards,
GiGiCat

Dear gigicat, you have your answer to your initial post right in your second one, you didn't really need us to speculate about your situation. If in 2 months of playing 1 cent tables you are only a few dollars ahead, that is your level in poker right now, and you should stay at that level until you win a few dollars every week if not every day, then move to the 2 cent tables, and so on. Going to a casino not only resulted in financial loss for you, but you did not learn much either since after so many years you are just surviving the 1 cent tables. You need to keep playing but also take time to analyze your hands and identify leaks in your game and read books and articles. I am also at the level of penny tables, so I am no better than you by any means, just telling you these things trying to help you keep your bankroll, not trying to make embarrass you in any way. Good luck to you!

korneel · Aug 6, 2017

The logic answer is the only play at casino 2 and 3

GiGiCat · Aug 6, 2017

titiduru said:
Dear gigicat, you have your answer to your initial post right in your second one, you didn't really need us to speculate about your situation. If in 2 months of playing 1 cent tables you are only a few dollars ahead, that is your level in poker right now, and you should stay at that level until you win a few dollars every week if not every day, then move to the 2 cent tables, and so on. Going to a casino not only resulted in financial loss for you, but you did not learn much either since after so many years you are just surviving the 1 cent tables. You need to keep playing but also take time to analyze your hands and identify leaks in your game and read books and articles. I am also at the level of penny tables, so I am no better than you by any means, just telling you these things trying to help you keep your bankroll, not trying to make embarrass you in any way. Good luck to you!

I like to read constructive crits. like this. However if one looks at Casino #2 and #3 we find I am quite adept at playing $1/$2 NLH, not to mention tournament poker, which I prefer incidentally.

I have 11 books that I have read, re-read and have re-re-read. mark pages, joined online training sites, etc. Of all of it, I find everything I have done is enhanced by card chat and talking to fellow poker players like yourself.

If you have started with $5 at a 0.01/0.02 table and have gotten it up to $7 doesn't seem like much does it? However if you take a closer look at the same percentages at a higher level it changes things, for instance: If you take the whopping $2 won, and divide it by the $5 you had originally, we find that it is a 40% increase in our bank roll. Now say some guy gets bank rolled by some super rich dude for $100,000.00 for this guy a 40% increase in his bank roll is $40,000.00.

I ask you...how's that 40% bank roll increase look now?

Regards,
GiGiCat

GiGiCat · Aug 6, 2017

korneel said:
The logic answer is the only play at casino 2 and 3

What am I a Vulcan? Then what could I complain about, or test my play. I think once I figure out my leaks, weaknesses and such, and start winning at Casino #1 there will be no stopping me.

Regards,
GiGiCat

GiGiCat · Aug 6, 2017

vov4ik said:
My advice is not to play casino number 1 casino leads to a loss, and number 2 - number 3 - it gives a profit and you can play and win and be on top with a win, good luck in your victories

Thank you sir, You as well!

korneel · Aug 12, 2017

GiGiCat said:
What am I a Vulcan? Then what could I complain about, or test my play. I think once I figure out my leaks, weaknesses and such, and start winning at Casino #1 there will be no stopping me.

Regards,
GiGiCat

The players in casino 1 just don't work for your strategy.

sryImPro · Aug 12, 2017

I belive your losses in Casino1 are on you. I've experienced something similar so i'll just bring up my theory.
Casino1 is the closest one right, the one you coming back home with a significal losses and the reason why it's so is you might, just might ok, going there because you are bored sometimes and you are not 100% on your game.
When you have to drive 60 miles more to Casino2 and Casino3, you are more focused because more effort is already invested so somewhere in back of your mind you are more focused and you are not there just for fun.
Don't go to casino when you are just bored and have nothing else to do

At least think about that

Cheers!

pietpikel · Aug 12, 2017

GiGiCat said:
I like to live games as much as possible. the closest nice place for me to go is about 40 miles a way. The next two places are close to 100 miles away. This post is about cash games and tournaments. I don't play often but when I do play I play good poker, or I believe any way.

We'll call the losing casino: Casino #1
My problem is that Casino #1 is decent place and reputable but, I do nothing but lose, I mean over the past 14 yrs I have won a total of $2565 and lost $21,550, with a total lose of $18985.
Of which $2250 is from tournament placements.

Now here's my bank roll stats for the other places,

Casino #2 I've sporadically played at for the past 9 years have won a total of $8755 with a total buy-in of $4635 with a total of winnings of $4120
Played one tournaments here.

Casino #3 been sporadically playing at for 5 years, have won a total of $11,550 with a total buy in of $7885, with total winnings of $3665
Pretty much evenly divided between tournaments and cash as this is the furthest away and only go when a tournament series I want to play in is scheduled.

I've played in 5 other casinos but once each, and 3 of those casinos I left with with more than I walked in with.

My question to you is: Do you think it is possible that this casino is just bad luck for me and that no matter what I do, I will never win there, or do we just chalk up the differences between the casinos to variance?

Regards,
GiGiCat

I think you need to look closer at your results (if you have more detail).
Which days did you play where, and what are your winnings by day ?

I used to play in two Casino's in JHB (Montecasino and Emprors Palace). Both totally different. Monte is in a more affluent area, and stacks are deeper, and tournaments more expensive. For me it is a closer drive (maybe 10 minutes), and it means I arrive less stressed, and more ready to play. Makes a big diff after a long session into the late night, to know that home is 10 minutes in the car.

I play at Emprors, get knocked out of a tournament and have 30 minutes drive home. It's a huge pain in the butt, and while you are speeding along, still annoyed at being knocked out, you do ask yourself ...

'WTF am I doing in this place ?' It does affect the way you play, and the decisions you land up making at the table.

These things have a subtle impact on your form, and mindset.
You may also be walking into the losing casino, with a negative frame of mind. ie. I run like crap in this place etc etc.

But running good or bad is just such a marginal thing. If you play live 5 times a week, most pots are in a certain range. Once in a while a big game breaks out, and with a little good/bad luck it is easy to skew results...

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