An angle and a double jeopardy at downtown LV casino

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I was playing downtown at Golden Nugget in the their 1-2 no cap NL
Most players had over $500 stacks with two of them way over $2000. After about 2 hours comes a guy, sits down, talks about something with the dealer, makes some comments about the other night game and playing along. Obviously he played there before. I never remember him.

Now here is what happen: I’m in late position with 77. The Villain (V) in question is in early position and makes a raise of about $50, gets one caller and when the action comes around to me, I noticed he’s got about $100 in red chips on top of $100 bill but has a thick wad of bills under that I cannot make up how much is. So, I asked the dealer: How deep the V is? At that moment the dude says: Over $2000. I cover, so I call his raise.

The flop comes down: 4,5,7. I flopped top set. V bets all his red chips. The guy in the middle folds and I call. The turn brings another 4 making the board 4,5,7,4 giving me the top FH. Villain says: I’m all in. The dealer puts the round marker with All-In on in front of him. Obviously I call. The river brings a 9. He opens his hand with AK. I open mine and obviously I expect to win a huge pot. Villain trows all his money to me. I grab them. Well, under his top $100 bill there was about 40x $50 bills.

Now the show begins: The dealer say: $50 bills doesn’t play and a couple players also side with him. I call the floor. The dealers explains what just happens without mentioning that I specifically I asked how deep the V was at the beginning of the hand to know if I should call or not his pf raise. I explain that I asked the V how deep he was after his pf raise and also that he used his $2000 to push me of the hand at the turn. The floor rules that since he said “over $2000” at the beginning of the action and he declared All-In himself, the whole wad of money plays. So, I got all the money.

The V left the table and after about half an hour comes back with a big dude executive from the casino management. The casino dude gets together with the floor, exchange some words and comes over to my table trying to explain to me that the $50 bills doesn’t play and that I should return the $2000. I absolutely refuse to give up to this angle and secondly the whole incident becomes a “double jeopardy” after the original floor decision. The casino executive threatens me that I will be banned from his casino if I don’t return the money. I kept the money, get banned and left the casino.

Now, Is that a beautiful/stupid/idiotic angle or not?
 
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many things are wrong here
1. cash no longer plays at any casino as far as I am concerned - I think this is a state law but not sure. if not then ONLY $100's play at the table period.
2. dealer made a HUGE error, he should have checked the money to make sure it was all $100's, apparently this did not happen
3. villain made a huge error (and possibly an angle) and should have a strict warning or perhaps even be removed from the game (room, and maybe even casino), but it sounds as if this guy 'knew' people so good luck with that
4. the floor should have never awarded you the bills - this may be in violation of state law - just because the player called out the wrong information does not make it true, if you had lost you would have only owed what he had in chips and not the $50's, furthermore you should have asked the dealer to confirm, which should have happened anyway
5. keeping the money is fine because who wants to play at the GN anyways - much better rooms elsewhere (Orleans, SouthPoint, Aria, hell even Binions across the street)
All in all seems like a huge mess. Room needs to get the cash off the tables like everyone else is doing. In my rooms it is a violation of state law.
 
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oh and yes I do think this was more angle than mistake by V
 
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5. keeping the money is fine because who wants to play at the GN anyways - much better rooms elsewhere (Orleans, SouthPoint, Aria, hell even Binions across the street)

Well, The Orleans, S Point and Binions are great poker rooms, I agree
 
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oh and yes I do think this was more angle than mistake by V

Disagree, since villain threw the whole stack to OP and it was the dealer who brought up the $50s unless you think the dealer was in on it as well.
 
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Disagree, since villain threw the whole stack to OP and it was the dealer who brought up the $50s unless you think the dealer was in on it as well.

That is a point, but not entirely strong

The art of the angle is to know when the dealer will make a correction and claim they didnt know they made a mistake, especially since most anglers will get kicked out if too obvious. This is because anglers know all the rules and make plays based on them, especially on those that will get corrected to their favor.

Since this guys has obviously played here before, he should know the rules quite well, especially about what cash is live on the table, if any. If it was obvious he has never played before, or very little, then maybe I side with a mistake.
 
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