After the scandal do you trust Absolute and Ultimate?

i just couldn't see myself giving my personal information and playing on tables where it was so shady that a player would have won that much money and not been flagged by the company.

That was a couple years ago and was not the site. They are trustworthy now.

I believe they are trustworthy now. I joined the site in November, but just didn't like it and moved on. I was hesitant at first, but I saw Annie Duke do an interview and how she trusts them. I know they are paying her to be part of their team, but I respect Annie so I thought I'd try the site.

I've been going back and forth on this matter. I've won some freeroll money and have turned it into a decent bankroll there. But, without a deposit, I am limited to what I can do on the site.

I have to believe that they are keeping some of the regulars satisfied, because otherwise someone here would be posting how they got screwed somehow. But, I notice that I hardly ever see any high rollers playing at the big money tables. I'm no expert on the background dealings of poker sites, but I imagine that poker sites make more money of high rollers than all the little fish combined. How long does a poker site want to run if they are not making lots of money doing it?

froghump said:

i just couldn't see myself giving my personal information and playing on tables where it was so shady that a player would have won that much money and not been flagged by the company.

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Not sure what u guys are talking about. I had heard some minor squawking about some insiders hacking peoples hole cards soemwhere but didn't know any details.

What happened?

You should prob google ub superuser. I know a little of it, dont care about the small details. Ex employee, turned superuser had a hack and could see everyone's hole cards.
UB was not in on it and I am sure has taken measures to ensure it never happens again.

Juniorsdaddy said:

I have to believe that they are keeping some of the regulars satisfied, because otherwise someone here would be posting how they got screwed somehow. But, I notice that I hardly ever see any high rollers playing at the big money tables. I'm no expert on the background dealings of poker sites, but I imagine that poker sites make more money of high rollers than all the little fish combined. How long does a poker site want to run if they are not making lots of money doing it?

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I am pretty sure the smaller stakes make more money because there is a much greater rake/hand ratio as the stakes get smaller.
Plus, there is many, many more micro players than nosebleeders.

sammyfive said:

I am pretty sure the smaller stakes make more money because there is a much greater rake/hand ratio as the stakes get smaller.
Plus, there is many, many more micro players than nosebleeders.

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I agree that there are many, many more micro players than nosebleeders. However, I also notice that UB's comp system, as well as everyone else's, seems to cater to high rollers. It would take an awful lot of grinding to save up for that LCD TV.

Pbland said:

I believe they are trustworthy now. I joined the site in November, but just didn't like it and moved on. I was hesitant at first, but I saw Annie Duke do an interview and how she trusts them. I know they are paying her to be part of their team, but I respect Annie so I thought I'd try the site.

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I like Annie Duke, too, but you hit the nail on the head. A celebrity endorsement is a business deal. For irrational reasons we trust and like celebrities, who are, after all, just pretty faces we don't know. The say they like something (because they are paid to) and we believe that matters.

And to answer the question, no, I'll never play on those sites. All the red flags that normal users saw, the site should have seen. Massive fail, IMO. Game over.

RF

It was a high up in the company who hacked into the Absolute site and he could see the other players cards, he's been taken care of now so the site should be fine now. Never heard what happened at UB so could someone give a quick update.

yes it was a scandle but been playing there seems fine now ok now for withdrawls also

froghump said:

i just couldn't see myself giving my personal information and playing on tables where it was so shady that a player would have won that much money and not been flagged by the company.

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This is sooooooo old news & things have changed considerably since then (a couple times over).
Question: would Joe Sebok make a career move to go & represent a potentially corrupt/scandalous site?

You have to remember that the Kahnawake gaming commission hid the names of the perpetrators to protect the site from more scandal so to say the site was not involved is hopeful at best.Also there was superuser account on both absolute and ultimatebet and they are owned by the same people so use your imagination.

I think it's kind of like when a restaurant gets a "B" rating. Its probably the best time to go eat there because they are going above and beyond to make it better and get away from the stigma and grade.

I too believe it's probably safest now after the scandel than it ever has been.

Whether or not it's safe I don't play there. It's not a safety issue for me but an ethical issue. They should be out of business imo and nobody should give them their rake money.

If I went to a restaurant and the chef pooped in my food, I would never return there. It doesn't matter if that particular chef was fired or not.

I don't play on either of those sites even though I used to see what both of them were like. I might consider start playing on UB, but for now im satisfied playing on poker stars and full tilt.

I also trust Ultimate Bet. Mostly because Phil Hellmuth is the face of that poker room and it would be bad for his rep if they scammed people.

Do you trust Absolute and Ultimate Bet

I would like to chime in here about the Absolute Scandal. I went to college and graduated with the father of one of the guys who was accused in the scandal. I know his son who was a Vice President of Absolute at the time of the scandal. He was not involved.

What happened was another of my friends son who was also an executive with Absolute had a back door built into the programming. He used this back door to see everyone elses hole cards during a million dollar tourney.

Anyway, like someone else noted the company has been sold. The new Absolute Poker is an ok poker community. I have and do play on the site some but do not like it as much as some others.

If you want serious details, Google, Absolute Poker Scandal.

Intense said:

I also trust Ultimate Bet. Mostly because Phil Hellmuth is the face of that poker room and it would be bad for his rep if they scammed people.

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This is not a good reason imo. A face on a site, particularly a face associated with so much negative energy at the poker table, is not a reason to blindly trust them.

PooffyFooffy said:

You should prob google Ultimatebet superuser. I know a little of it, dont care about the small details. Ex employee, turned superuser had a hack and could see everyone's hole cards.
Ultimatebet was not in on it and I am sure has taken measures to ensure it never happens again.

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stupid person if I were to do that I would atleast give some of my opponents a bone once and a while not saying i condone cheating or anything. Plus i hate ultimate bet they have the worst promotion and they charge you for checks and echecks etc etc.

Velutha said:

Whether or not it's safe I don't play there. It's not a safety issue for me but an ethical issue. They should be out of business imo and nobody should give them their rake money.

If I went to a restaurant and the chef pooped in my food, I would never return there. It doesn't matter if that particular chef was fired or not.

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lmao.

Velutha said:

If I went to a restaurant and the chef pooped in my food, I would never return there. It doesn't matter if that particular chef was fired or not.

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This made me LOL.

AUPhoenix said:

I would like to chime in here about the Absolute Scandal. I went to college and graduated with the father of one of the guys who was accused in the scandal. I know his son who was a Vice President of Absolute at the time of the scandal. He was not involved.

What happened was another of my friends son who was also an executive with Absolute had a back door built into the programming. He used this back door to see everyone elses hole cards during a million dollar tourney.

Anyway, like someone else noted the company has been sold. The new Absolute Poker is an ok poker community. I have and do play on the site some but do not like it as much as some others.

If you want serious details, Google, Absolute Poker Scandal.

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It was a lot more than just a million dollar tourney. There were actually dozens of "super user" accounts and hundreds of players from Absolute and U.B. that were victims of the scandal. Many of the super users were playing medium - high stakes cash game tables. There was a list of these "super user" accounts published on another well known forum. Some of the victims have been reimbursed by UB/AP but many still have not...and many others do not even know they were scammed.


The jury is still out on U.B/AP. There is an entire thread on another forum debating this entire issue - it's hundreds of pages long. UB/AP has yet to give a clear and concise explanation for the incident, they seem to be brushing it under the table and are not willing to give out names/specifics. Seebok has vowed to get to the bottom of it but it looks as if he's run into a few walls as well.

All i can say, REGULATION is needed

moeraj said:

You have to remember that the Kahnawake gaming commission hid the names of the perpetrators to protect the site from more scandal so to say the site was not involved is hopeful at best.Also there was superuser account on both absolute and ultimatebet and they are owned by the same people so use your imagination.

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Dude...Do you have ANY clue what the hell you are talking about? Or do you like to come to sites to post some jargon, throwing shit at a wall hoping to find something that sticks? Seriously, your facts are flawed here.

You your research. Both scandals happened a couple of years back, prior to their merge to the same gaming network, and prior to the buyouts that brought them under the same management. Both scandals happened when these sites were seperate entities and operating under different management. There is no reason to believe that there have been additional issues since the merge. There are none that i'm aware of. So what is your beef? Did you take a bad beat, and now think online poker is rigged. Let me guess, you play at Full Tilt, where Isuldir was the victim of collusion for a shit ton of money, with no plan of reimbursement from the site or the players. Yet, that's not even a blip on anyone radar. Why? I don't know. But this the UB/Absolute scandals were a long time ago, and in the absence of anything new to report, should be dropped. If you don't like the site, don't play.