A partypoker Update Just Put You At Significant Risk

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This website explains to other online poker players, in easy to understand terms, the magnitude of the risk to game security resulting from partypoker’s elimination of hand histories. It also addresses the complete lack of any credible argument to support removing hand histories.

The site was launched by Max Value Software LLC ("MVS"). MVS owns and operates PokerTracker.com and HoldemManager.com

I explain this last week in a thread not sure if anyone took me seriously then.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/partypoker-banning-huds-431445/post-5214775.html


Action normally speaks louder than words.
I have a $5.50 ticket to use and there is a 10K freeroll tomorrow.
Milk these then I am packing up my chips and going home to pokerstars.

Just like Joe is doing,,,,if you don't like it,don't play there,simple as a pimple.

hi hi
i have greatest respect for Joeisi's judgement btw
i am new to poker since last year and using PT4 is huge for me to record all my hands played... why?
- i study and work hard at poker to try get better so i no lose all the time
so important for me to go back over hands and look at my statistics, and all the variables so i can learn and improve! my database of hands allows others like coaches or nice poker friends to also examine how i played and help me

now i am unable to use all my (expensive) learning software when i in party poker
so i no going to play in partypoker anymore and i going get the $174usd out of my account there
i am very upset PartyPoker done this cause some my favourite twitch streamers moved there but I WANT TO GET BETTER AT POKER so i want to examine and study hands i played!
i very happy play on PokerStars, 888 and ACR
no need PartyPoker

Seems like a great time to pack up and go. There's too many other options to warrant the risk.

Excellent post, if there is anything we as poker players should have learned in all the time of playing online poker it is we 100% cannot rely on the site operators to police the games in any meaningful fashion. This is a spit in the face of players by removing HHs.

I hope the playerbase is smart enough to vote with their wallets

They don't care about the regs. I'm also leaving. I'd like to be able to study my hands afterwards and play on a site where they can't cheat you THAT obviously. Without the history they can do whatever they want.

GRIN281289 said:

I repeat that I wrote in another post on this topic. I am for it to be canceled. He is not in live poker and should not participate in online poker. Level the chances of all players

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Live poker and online poker are different things. The main point of this discussion is the ability of partypoker to be able to manipulate the game as they want.

For me personally hand histories are important, so that I can analyse and improve my game away from the table. And also simply keep track of my results. Like for instance knowing how I do at 6-max relative to full ring. Or at different stakes or tournament types.

As for the safety concerns maybe they are a bit overblown. But Party does have a shady history of not being open about, what they are doing. For instance at a point they tried to segregate the player pool based on skill by hiding certain tables from winning players, and they did not inform players about this policy. So “trust but dont verify?” I dont think so, and certainly not if you are playing for money, that really matter.

I'm not a fan of anonymous poker - don't see the upside. I stopped playing at PP some time ago. I did change my alias though just in case I ever decide to give them another go.

I hope more players will leave. I consider this a big mistake from party poker. And I don't think the number of recreational players will increase.

A recreational player (from my experience) doesn't know very well how a hud is helping the regs.
I can't realize how a major platform like partypoker can think like this. I think they will kill themselves.
80% of the winning regs most probably will leave the site and another 10% recreational players will make new deposits, they will lose, of course, and that's it.
Maybe it's a good idea for the poker environment but it will fail, and they will lose for good the battle against pokerstars.

I have very little party poker. So I don’t care. The only thing that is not clear what they have updated new in the client? I at least left everything as it was. Although the client seems to be updated.

neafana said:

A recreational player (from my experience) doesn't know very well how a hud is helping the regs.

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Repeating myself now, but its entirely possible for a poker site to not allow HUDs but still allow players to download their hand histories for off table analysis. I hope, Party will come to their senses about the hand history part.

I will only be playing the few freerolls they have from now on. I will not be making another deposit. I like to see the hand histories as well as note taking on players. My understanding on the notes is you can make them while playing the game, but once it is over, the notes are gone. Thanks but no thanks.

In brazil, several players have already raised the question of the use of HUD, much if the two sides have their points of agreement, but I can not understand the logic in ending the history of hand. unfortunately and as several people have already spoken, if not pleased we will have to play on another platform.

Let's all not forget, the original poster is extremely biased in their business will suffer with the elimination of HUD/hand histories.

I do not play at party poker but really elimination of hand histories altogether is too harsh. If you do not want HUDs - ok just forbid them but in any case player should be able to get his own hand histories at least to use them for review of their own game.

I guess this change is supposed to make the game more equal right? How would you go about beating the variance in the small stakes then? I mean, it's supposed to be a long term game that brings in a lot of grinding the small stakes if you want to have a chance taking a step up. Multitabling without a hud wouldn't be an option for me at least. So instead of paying $60 for a HUD we have to have big bankrolls to be able to win anything worth mentioning. I don't see how that is more equal...

The change is intended to equalize their poker game into a completely zero sum game, eliminating withdrawals. Easy to see what they are doing.

If you don’t like the changes at Party, then you’re free to play on other sites.

Tired of the “IM OUT OF HERE BYE BYE” posts. The posts wth no reason why, just buh bye

This isn’t an airport. There is no need to announce your departure.

Party won’t miss the dollar scrub accounts that are leaving.

kkonicke said:

Let's all not forget, the original poster is extremely biased in their business will suffer with the elimination of HUD/hand histories.

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Does that change the point of the post? Is the reasoning still valid?

Come on, you guys are poker players. You're supposed to be able to think and reason through complex situations to come to the best conclusions.

Is eliminating hand histories removing the ability of players to verify the integrity of the games? Yes. Does the removal of hand histories increase the chance of bot rings? Yes. Does the removal of hand histories create the potential for internal corruption? Yes.

None of those things are good for you as a poker player, or the poker ecology as a whole.


You can ban HUDs and still have hand histories. Let's think and stick together here. This is not an acceptable change.

Party Poker doesnt accept players from my country. If they did I would play there because I dont make deposits. If I win a freeroll I play the money back in cash games or a special tourney. Im not good enough to make a living at poker so I just make all the free entertainment I can. Arty Poker is known for some shady antics. Like putting their Pro players in all the big guarentee tourneys to recover as much of the guarenttee $s as possible. So knowing this up front just keeps my expectations grounded and I know its entertainment and not a money making venture. One of the reasons I dont deposit money on any site.

I am guessing you are referring to me since I am the only one on this thread that said they were leaving. I did put a link in my post with my thoughts and I do agree with all that is in the first post of this thread, that is why I have left Party.

And yes I was a Party Poker dollar scrub. The Cardschat FRC games are $1 buyin guess that makes most here $1 scrubs.

I have packed all my $1 bills and will be out to the strip joint to use them as soon as the plane takes off.

All fun and joking aside the truth is you are indeed correct, Party Poker won't miss the $1 idiots like me.

wpilson70 said:

If you don’t like the changes at Party, then you’re free to play on other sites.

Tired of the “IM OUT OF HERE BYE BYE” posts. The posts wth no reason why, just buh bye

This isn’t an airport. There is no need to announce your departure.

Party won’t miss the dollar scrub accounts that are leaving.

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You actually need to make a deposit and verify your account in order to play a freeroll on Party. The Cardschat game is of good value it is $1 buy in and there is $285 in tickets up for grabs normally less than 50 entrants with top 15 getting paid min prize is $5.50 ticket.

I remember seeing you on my rail thread last month and you were playing on Pokerstars to my knowledge their licences are the same so if you can play on Pokerstars you should be able to play on Party Poker. I am almost 100% sure of it.

Speak with Collete the Cardschat Party rep she will be able to tell you for sure and be able to help you out. You can find her on the thread below.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/partypoker-official-thread-274376/

HaroldHouse said:

Party Poker doesnt accept players from my country. If they did I would play there because I dont make deposits. If I win a freeroll I play the money back in cash games or a special tourney. Im not good enough to make a living at poker so I just make all the free entertainment I can. Arty Poker is known for some shady antics. Like putting their Pro players in all the big guarentee tourneys to recover as much of the guarenttee $s as possible. So knowing this up front just keeps my expectations grounded and I know its entertainment and not a money making venture. One of the reasons I dont deposit money on any site.

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